God's influence

[orangatan]

Have nc for this but only becuase I am busy as it were on other threads.

I am having trouble getting my head around something.

I am a committed christian.

When things go wrong, and I am really just talking about very minor things that other people have done to you, how much of that has been orchestrated by God?
Any of it? None of it? Somewhere in between?

Thanks

I too am not willing to go over things I have already seen on these boards.

And dont forget that obeying God is very important.

I sometimes think, the more you obey, the more of God you get? Maybe that should read God's grace? Or God's blessings?

You keep contradicting yourself. Saying god has free will but couldn't not love you. And yet you're happy with that sort of love. Why couldn't he be? I'd rather people were happy and well and lived peaceful lives.

I'm not so egotistical that I need people who love me to prove it by suffering. I'd just say 'stuff it, I can't bear the thought of all the bad stuff, I'll do without the adoring fans'

Not sure on that last sentence.
Gods blessing with God's requirements for more difficult things to do?

I sometimes think of Paul who it seems, the more he did, the more was demanded of him. He went through all sorts.

You've a very fixed view of what people can and can't believe head.

My DS had a Statement of SEN with severe and complex difficulties. Subsequently he has been discharged and the Statement has been ceased, due to improvement. He believes in God also, he tells me so. I'm glad I had my Faith during this process and held onto Hope.

Adam and Eve didn't exist.

I don't understand what, as wonderful as your son's situation is, how that negates my point. Babies lack the theory of mind to believe in a Jesus or an anything.

Many adults have profound learning difficulties. How are they able to believe in Jesus?

ferrarPaul' strength is almost frightening, to a very ordinary woman like me. However I remind myself of how much we can achieve in Christ.

There are many that people would happily condemn. Also I believe Theory of Mind is a human construct.

^as we do not know very much at all concerning the capabilities of our minds.

I wouldn't dismiss anyone.

Thats wonderful capsium. Absolutely wonderful in all ways.

yep! I love it! And give thanks to God!

I am more and more thinking that christian courage is important.
There is a sentence in the bible that I did not spot or have read about until this week concerning Paul.
I will hopefully find and post it tomorrow.

Condemn?? They can't believe in your god in the same way they can't believe in any god. It's nothing personal. It's not about condemning. Since when was belief in a god a marker for cognitive ability? I work with children and regularly assess their cognitive skills. There's nowt on the EYFS framework about Jesus.

EYFS framework? Nothing breeds fear like that does. Some would have condemned my child to a lifetime if additional help / care. Cognitive skills are not fixed, the brain had plasticity. Assess cognitive skills? Arrogant IMO.

Absolutely head. There are people in the world who grow up knowing nothing of a christian god and no opportunity to learn. So these people are condemed?

I do not think any human being deserves to be reduced by a tick list.

A tick list? It's a way of assessing need and flagging up individuals who may need additional support to achieve their full potential.

But you're right. Let's forget that. Let's just read the bible to them for 3 straight hours a day

Satan doesn't seem necessary to the whole free will argument.

I can just about see the idea that you would want your children to learn on their own without doing everything for them, but why arrange to actively sabotage anything they try?

When kids learn to walk you have to let them fall over sometimes. If you constantly hold onto them they can't learn. But would you employ someone to trip them up constantly?

And what about AMumInScotland's point that if Satan can cause you to stub your toe he could do much more. How about if every time you tried to go to church he made you get lost or break a leg. Or if you tried to read the bible he could blind you.

What do you think exams are, and tests and interviews. We have our cognitive skills assessed all the time. It would. As a practitioner it would be negligent of me to not assess the children's development. Early intervention is proven to give children with such needs the best outcomes. I am honestly staggered that you would see any assessment of cognition as negative knowing what the repercussions can be

I know full well what it is head, my degree is in English and Education, specialising in KS1. The additional support is quite often a hindrance and delivered by TAs with little qualifications. Faith, Hope and belief is hugely important in terms of encouraging learning and high aspirations.

Faith, hope and love are not specific to religion. But surely you didn't mean that? :/