God's influence

[orangatan]

Have nc for this but only becuase I am busy as it were on other threads.

I am having trouble getting my head around something.

I am a committed christian.

When things go wrong, and I am really just talking about very minor things that other people have done to you, how much of that has been orchestrated by God?
Any of it? None of it? Somewhere in between?

Thanks

^evil can be. Typo.

Not sure what to say at the moment. I am reading the posts with interest. [I am a frequent nc, ie the op].

Is the D[dont like to type the full word], in the miniature of life? I suppose he is?

And where does God's ringfencing come in?

Is God's shield just for larger events? But that doesnt seem quite right to me.

Glad I started the thread btw. I need this thrashed out.

ferrar I believe God is concerned with everything, down to the most minute minutiae, the 'shield' is available for all.

The Devil is the opposing force.

However the biggest thing is that Redemption is available through Christ, Faith in this combats evil. Concentrating on Christ and His power overcomes evil.

Why doesn't god just overcome evil himself? Easy if you are all powerful.

'Ringfencing' I suppose refers to how Faith in Christ separates and protects through the Redemption. It changes you at the spiritual level, you are no longer a 'slave to sin' but 'free in Christ'.

atthestroke He already has...

So if we had stronger faith, we wouldnt stub our toe? Or somebody wouldnt do something we didnt like to us, like shout at us even though we were not doing anything wrong?

I am glad that atthestrokeoftwelve is on the thread too. Even though I am a christian, I too wonder about the God being all powerful bit.
I know He is, I know that He can overcome anything for Christians, but dont know when He does, if that makes sense. Daily? All the time?

ferrar There can be inertia for the spiritual to manifest into the physical, but I believe it does.

On accepting Christ I believe you are spiritually whole, Faith builds as you find out more about who you are in Christ, evil can be overcome.

I would say daily and all the time, yes. As your Faith grows I think you get better at knowing timings, working out when to act on Faith.

However Evil is n the world too. We just do not have to be trodden down by it. Once someone is determined through their Faith the momentum can be incredible.

Why does god allow so much suffering? Children for want of food or cheap medications are dying because of dirty drinking water, or lose limbs from stepping on a land mines.
If that is part of god's parlour game he seems a pretty nasty bloke to me.

Capsium I don't need god to be "spiritually whole"- are you saying we are incomplete without god?

Personally am not interested in covering stuff that has been discussed on a lot of threads on this board previously.

However Evil is n the world too. We just do not have to be trodden down by it. Once someone is determined through their Faith the momentum can be incredible.

Agreed. Agree also that we can sabotage our own lives by sin. Agree that God for instance looks after christians in say big earth events. There is or are verses in the bible that say that.

Dont know what I believe and what is the truth as in daily low level living. Where is God and where is the D in that.

So god looks after christians- why not muslims, or jews or athiests?

Why do people need to even believe in god to be accepted into heaven. If he was all compassionate he would save everyone- not just christians.

I find it quite shocking that you think only christians are "looked after" by god- do other faiths not count?

ferrar just look for Him. See what you can see. It's a very interesting and enriching way to live.

atthe I believe God works through people. I put the suffering down to Satan. I would feel incomplete without God, He is in me.

He looks after Jews. I cant speak for other religions. I dont know enough about them. But I do know that God's salvation is open to all.

[but not going to get drawn and diverted into things that have already been discussed ad infinitum on here - and which you must have read 100s of times on here before!

Capsium does god have free will? Can god decide to be wild and horrible? If not why on earth would he ever give mere humans the responsibility and ability to rape and murder, an ability not even he has or maybe he does have the potential to be horrible? Then why worship him because he isn't perfect is he?

No I haven't read them 100s times before. Is this a closed thread only for certain people?

I am giving my opinion, that's all. The idea of god is meaningless to me and no more real than marshmallow men living in my garden shed.

atthe if you take God as being synonymous with good, God is present in all that is good, as is Christ. Believing on Christ is knowing it.

^that covers headinhands question too.

A belief in christ is just that though- a belief, it's not a fact.

So god is simply the manifestation of good- no external or intrinsic power? What about the creation, the ressurection, the bible?

Physical manifestation of the spiritual is power. Belief concerns what is spiritual.

God is spirit. You can see Him in His manifestation.

We will have to disagree with that I'm afraid, I see no manifestation of god.

atthestroke correct me if I am wring but you spoke of your own spirituality on another thread. How does this manifest?