Cosmic Ordering - let's try again?

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Logically I know it "should" be a load of crap but every time I've tried it, I've received what I asked for. Way back as an 8 year old we were moving house and I so desperately wanted a garden with steps on the path (no idea why). I visualised it and "prayed" for it and the house we ended up with had two steps on the path which was very rare in that area.

More recently I stumbled across the concept of cosmic ordering and decided to "order" a money find. A few nights later we were walking through a graveyard and there on the ground wet through and covered in muck was a £10 note staring up at me. I put it down to co-incidence.

A couple of years later I met a guy, fell in love with him and looking back it was obvious that I liked him more than he liked me ... So out of desperation I "cosmically ordered" for him to tell me he loved me on one specific night. So there we are, camping in a field, messing around and I do something daft and he laughs and says "oh god, I love you!" - he was not being serious, he was being sarcy but he still said it.

So a few months later I placed a cosmic order for him to say he loved me and meant it. So there we are, great night out, we're back in the hotel, he'd not said it. I tried to prompt it by asking how he thought the relationship was going and he said "great, but let's take it slow eh? I mean, I don't want to say I love you ... We've not been together long ... But I do, I do love you ..." Wtf? Cosmic order granted but not quite in the way I'd hoped.

A year later, we're still together. I place a cosmic order for him to ask me to marry him on this specific night. So we're sat in a restraunt and I do not prompt the conversation at all. All of a sudden he laughs and says "let's run off and get married in Vegas?". I didn't know how to take it so didn't say anything .. He then added - "I'm joking ..."

A few days ago I "ordered" an iphone 5c in green for less than £300 - that same night dp told me he'd won me that same phone on ebay for £260 (almost impossible to get one so cheap in "like new" condition.

It just seems that I get everything I ask for when I try it but never in a way I expect it. Does anyone else have any stories about cosmic ordering?
If you're not into it, don't take the piss please :-)

Today, I'm going to try it again. I'm going to start small and order the sighting of a red balloon by the end of the day. I'll update tonight whether or not it appeared.

You proved my point admirably, Karen. Thank you.

IT is the other way around, I and my children were victims of ignorant scientists, who have since been proved as LAZY and ignorant scientists/medics, and who have had to apologise and have lost their jobs, once their scientific/medic colleagues have proven they were wrong. Of course me and my children knew they were wrong, we had our self esteem knocked as someone who should know better was so arrogant they didn't listened to us, put us down and wrote us off with funny looks as if we were mental. Well some of their colleagues did listen to people like us and instigated studies, and now they have genetic evidence almost ready to present.

Only an ignorant fool clings on to current science as being able to answer everything.

"Only an ignorant fool clings on to current science as being able to answer everything."

Couldn't agree more.

It was a scientist/medic who stood in a medical conference who explained what practicing lazy medicine is the effects it has, they explained to us how medicine/science should work, it is a shame so many who claim to know about science don't follow that behaviour too. I note that scientist/medic who spoke to us has never once spoken as anything as a definite unless they had studies and definite science to prove what they were saying was correct. If they could not prove anything they made it clear it was not proven, it was a theory at the moment.

Karen, I hope you apply the same critical eye to non scientists as well. It's a shame Steve Jobs, for one, didn't.

Agreed.

Science doesn't know everything. Far from it!

However, science does not continue to believe something is true, in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

Science learns from its mistakes and adapts. It is a process, not a definitive.

Yes, people die because the science doesn't yet understand all the variables.

Fundamentally, we can not understand the world by looking at a single case in isolation.

Before chemo, he vast majority of cancer sufferers died - fact.

Since chemo, and it's continued development over the years, fewer and fewer people die from their first occurrence of cancer and many go into remission.

So, statistically, it is very easy to prove that medicine heals better than the human body alone.

If you personally want to heal yourself - the go for it. You might survive, but you probably won't. Best of luck to you.

"Only an ignorant fool clings on to current science as being able to answer everything".

Whoops. Did I say that? I certainly didn't mean to, since I would never say anything that stupid. Can you please c/p the bit for me where I said this?

Thanks.

Science has no treatment or cure for the primary condition we have. It was only recently they have found some research and gene evidence to prove to nasty people who were so cruel to us, that we are actually phsyically ill. Science will never heal me, science will never be able to treat me. The best I can hope for from science is that they will find a way to change the gene in IVF so it is not passed on to my grandchildren. Some of my secondary physical conditions can be treated, again no cure from science,. There is not enough interest or money for research in these specialist area's I don't expect them to be able to find a cure in my life time so I am left with nothing from science. I just get on with my own life, they diagnose what they can, so we are not treated as having a primary mental illness and mistreated, that is all science can offer us.

If I want to have a go at and look into something that makes me feel good and gives me a hope in hell of some nice things in my life, then why try to make out I am an odd bod for looking into it.

For example the lottery win I would like, the reasons for that are the following.

I have planned who I am going to give lumps of money to for medical research. I have planned who I am going to bring me and my children to get the secondary looked into properly privately as the NHS care is slow, each point is about a years waiting list. I have planned what bequests I want to give to a charity and all sorts.

All the scoffing at wanting a lottery win, never asking what the money was wanted for.

So I will keep giving this CO thing a try for the month of March if it doesn't work it doesn't work, if it works it will bring a lot of good in many lives, I am willing to give it a go.

We would all like a lottery win, Karen, and I would hope that many of us would do worthy and altruistic things with the money, nobody is scoffing at wanting to win megabucks.

The issue is thinking that asking the cosmos for one is more likely to make it happen.

And I don't know why you're so sure that science can do nothing for you- it sounds as if the have been huge advances in your lifetime- why do you think there on't be any more?

We were here for around 100,000 years before science. In that time, we achieved precious little.

Once it showed up, we went from the first juddering attempts at flying to walking on the moon within 60 years. More than half of all the human beings that have ever existed died of malaria and we are on the verge of ridding the world of it. In this country at least, childhood death is rare (devastating when it happens, of course, but numerically rare). For most of human history, half of all people did not make it to their 5th birthdays.

I could go on. But you get my point.

Science is not an attitude or a state of mind.....it is a methodology. It is the only one we have that stands a chance of telling us what's actually real and what's actually going on with us and the universe.

God, positive thinking, rain dances and homeopathy had thousands of years to prove their efficacy. They failed abysmally.

Of course science doesn't know everything - there'd be an awful lot of unemployed former scientists around if it did. But it knows a lot, Karen, a hell of a lot. And if anything is going to find a solution for you and your family, it WILL be science. So I wouldn't,t be so quick to dismiss it if I were you.

As Mantorana says, positive thinking is a marvellous thing. But if you are genuinely hoping that the cosmos will help you win the lottery then that hope is in vain. It won't.

And while there may be no harm in you personally holding out for that, there is an immense amount of potential harm in someone claiming that positive vibes can cure disease. They cannot - and the are enough dead people who believed it could to prove that.

Because the connective tissue is not right, they can't fix connective tissue it is in every organ in the body, they need to stop babies being born like this, they can't do anything for us, other than stop us being mistreated, understand us and treat the secondary conditions that can be treated which are caused by the weak connective tissue.

Look I am going to give this CO stuff a whirl, please leave me be.

I agree with technodad and hettie.

nothing wrong with thinking positively and being grateful for the nice stuff.

nothing wrong with agreeing that science develops and improves every year and therefore by definition some of what it did last year was not as good as what it will do next year.

but the day that I can cosmically order a cure for my profoundly disabled son is the day I believe in it.

until then I will maintain that people like to see a pattern in things, so they remember the successes and draw a veil over the equally frequent failures.

and they might like perhaps to bear in mind that it is annoying to hear people go on about how wonderful and responsive the universe was to their request for steps on the path, when my son has been left to get on with it as best he can.

"Look I am going to give this CO stuff a whirl, please leave me be."

Happy to. But apply the same criticism you seem to be reserving for science and scientists to people who are trying to sell you stuff which has absolutely no back up at all. Remember that in your case, the scientists were wrong- but they now know more and have changed the position they hold based on the evidence presented to them. Pseudo scientists change the evidence to support the position they hold.

I haven't given up on science, Mortoranna I said I would put the money I am going to win towards certain research.

I have my ticket for tonight, and I am going to concentrate on it.

I don't think CO will make me well, I am asking for some money to speed up care we can get private in a matter of weeks, the NHS is struggling to provide and the wait is years by the time you get all the appointments and tests done ready for treatment.

Although there is no evidence that CO as such works, there is good evidence that people who feel optimistic have more good things happen to them.

This is because they actually notice and follow up on more opportunities.

There was a fascinating Derren Brown experiment done on this recently. I think it was called "The magic dog of Todmorden" or "the secret of luck". People who touched the "magic dog" statue were told to expect good luck. What happened was that they were more likely to try stuff. So before the experiment, when a local butcher was asked to enter a quiz, he couldn't be bothered and went home for his chips. But the quiz had been rigged so he would have won a prize. Other residents did try and they won stuff. Of course, the quiz was rigged. but Derren's point was: you have to be in it to win it. There is a probability of good stuff that will happen regardless, but only if you try things. If you are not there, those good things will happen to other people.

So to that extent only, Karen is absolutely right to try more things in order to fund her care. But it doesn't matter if you believe in CO, a deity, or the flying spaghetti monster; and it doesn't matter either if you believe in nothing: as long as you follow up more opportunities.

so- a good example- Karen has actually bought a ticket for the lottery. you do have to buy one before you can win.

and- sorry for drip post- there was a scene of someone finding money in the road. That money had also been there the day before, before they had touched the dog, but they didnt notice it then, because they were not in that frame of mind to be looking for and expecting good luck.

Well we agree on that one, I wouldn't have thought about buying a lottery ticket at all, if it hadn't been for this thread. I am that despite to feel well in one way in my life, and I know if I had about twenty/thirty thousand pounds I would be able to get us all tested and treated for two of the secondary conditions to make us more comfortable in part medically. I could also use the lottery win to fund research and to give the charity that deals with our issues, some money so that they could give some families some funded holidays/disability aids and for some other families could have some private treatment if they are struggling with NHS care.

Well, obviously you can't win the lottery if you don't buy a ticket!

But the odds of winning are exqctly same whether or not you ask the Cosmos for a win or not.

And this is the sort of thing that leads people to buy more tickets than they can afford because they think that the odds can be changed.........

And I am pretty dubious, frankly, about a belief system which leads people to buy lottery tickets as a way of changing their lives.......positive thinking is one thing- magical thinking is another.

I don't do 'Cosmic Ordering' as such, I pray.

I do believe it works because that it part of my belief as a Christian. My Faith also dictates I believe before seeing the results. Looking back retrospectively I have had good, sometimes immediate, results. However if I was held to account I would have to justify my decisions so I believe this is something to be extremely mindful of.

Confirmation bias, positive thinking encouraging sensible risk taking. All does not matter to me since I believe we are Divinely designed and we should use what God has given us appropriately.

So this is outside of Science really, although in Science there are always some prior assumptions (kind of faith) which should be listed. Possibly a Bayesian Analysis should be done also, when interpreting results.

I'm glad to hear that you want to fund scientific research, Karen but it does make your entire rant to me about the arrogance of thinking science has the answers, it's only in it's infancy and is frequently wrong etc. etc. completely pointless.

I wouldn't give money to something I felt that way about.

I have too much respect for you as a fellow woman, and one with a lot on her plate clearly, to patronisingly pat you on the head and say, "Of course you believe it if you want to" - even if you'd prefer I did.

It's crap. The cosmos won't win the lottery for you. Sorry. There are odds of 14m to 1, so it's not impossible, but exceptionally unlikely.

Doesn't mean I don't wish you well, though.

Yes, praying is as silly as cosmic ordering.

We'll less silly actually. At least the cosmos exists.

More silly, I mean.

Science has no use for faith, Capsium.......as I have pointed out about 67 trillion times before.

We were here for around 100,000 years before science. In that time, we achieved precious little.

Debatable Hettie. I love history, archeology, anthropology, looking at ancient documents, artworks and everything like this. What comes across so vividly and quite pertinently if how like us ancient people were and how great a lot of their achievements were.