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Cosmic Ordering - let's try again?

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SylviasSlippers · 28/02/2014 09:12

Logically I know it "should" be a load of crap but every time I've tried it, I've received what I asked for. Way back as an 8 year old we were moving house and I so desperately wanted a garden with steps on the path (no idea why). I visualised it and "prayed" for it and the house we ended up with had two steps on the path which was very rare in that area.

More recently I stumbled across the concept of cosmic ordering and decided to "order" a money find. A few nights later we were walking through a graveyard and there on the ground wet through and covered in muck was a £10 note staring up at me. I put it down to co-incidence.

A couple of years later I met a guy, fell in love with him and looking back it was obvious that I liked him more than he liked me ... So out of desperation I "cosmically ordered" for him to tell me he loved me on one specific night. So there we are, camping in a field, messing around and I do something daft and he laughs and says "oh god, I love you!" - he was not being serious, he was being sarcy but he still said it.

So a few months later I placed a cosmic order for him to say he loved me and meant it. So there we are, great night out, we're back in the hotel, he'd not said it. I tried to prompt it by asking how he thought the relationship was going and he said "great, but let's take it slow eh? I mean, I don't want to say I love you ... We've not been together long ... But I do, I do love you ..." Wtf? Cosmic order granted but not quite in the way I'd hoped.

A year later, we're still together. I place a cosmic order for him to ask me to marry him on this specific night. So we're sat in a restraunt and I do not prompt the conversation at all. All of a sudden he laughs and says "let's run off and get married in Vegas?". I didn't know how to take it so didn't say anything .. He then added - "I'm joking ..."

A few days ago I "ordered" an iphone 5c in green for less than £300 - that same night dp told me he'd won me that same phone on ebay for £260 (almost impossible to get one so cheap in "like new" condition.

It just seems that I get everything I ask for when I try it but never in a way I expect it. Does anyone else have any stories about cosmic ordering?
If you're not into it, don't take the piss please :-)

Today, I'm going to try it again. I'm going to start small and order the sighting of a red balloon by the end of the day. I'll update tonight whether or not it appeared.

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HettiePetal · 04/03/2014 19:01

Techno - I think that the placebo effect works even if people know it's a placebo, which is the oddest thing about it.

If I go to my GP saying that I'm being plagued by headaches and he says, "Take these sugar pills once a day. Absolutely no medicine in them at all, but take them anyway" there's a good chance my headaches would be cured!

So this means that there's no need to lie to people about homeopathy & healing being effective when all you're really doing is harnessing the placebo effect. Just tell the truth.

technodad · 04/03/2014 19:01

But I would like an answer to the question if she is available.

Beastofburden · 04/03/2014 19:04

Reassurance is an interesting thing. The child who cuddles their teddy knows it won't really protect them from harm. Perhaps all we need is to access some well of memories of our parents really protecting us as babies. The trigger doesn't have to be all that plausible to work.

capsium · 04/03/2014 19:12

Matorina I actually said prayer works only if you believe it will work and it is God's will. I don't know about cosmic ordering, as I place my faith in God.

I think there is a similarity in that you have to have believe it has worked, has already come true, before you necessarily see results. This is where Faith ( believing in something which is not seen) comes into play.

Interestingly some people will not believe (in prayer or cosmic ordering) even when they have seen visible results. They would say they are spontaneous. Impossible to prove a causal link. There are always variables.

ColinFirthsGirth · 04/03/2014 19:29

Techno - some research is cheap for example I can easily audit my work which I am going to do but the kind that NICE would accept is not cheap.

Drug companies are onloy interested in things they can patent.

BTW there is some - but not lots - of credible research on complementary therapy. It is not totally placebo but even morphine has some placebo action. I don't make any guarantees to my clients and I freely tell them that is isnot scientific and that we don't know the mechanism by which it works. However it makes a difference in peoples lives. If placebo effect can change the chemicals in peoples brains then I for one don't think that it is an issue. If it works it works.

Beast - no I didn't realise that you worked for a university. I would love to do what I do on the NHS or for a not for profit agency but unfortunately where I live self employment is the only option for my industry. I am however converting it to a not for profit soical enterprise. However I have never said that the rest of you don't work for the reater good of humanity. The reason I have mentioned it more than once (which I don't in real life) is because more than one person over the two threads have implied that the people that believe in it are selfish and that they all sit back waiting for lots of material things to fall into their lap. Whereas no one has implied that you are selfish. So sorry if I am defensive but most of us don't know each other on this thread and I haven't implied that anyone is selfish for having a different belief.

In regards to the study there is alot to it if you looked at the whole thing - blood counts were significantly better. As I am sure you will be aware there has to be more than one study and ones using far more people for NICE to accept the findings. I do think it looks promising and I do think that there will be research in the future that will come out.

ColinFirthsGirth · 04/03/2014 19:30

oh and Techno my clients often need someone to talk too and give them time and caring attention - this goes along way to help them - they don't caqre how it works. They just know it helps them.

Beastofburden · 04/03/2014 19:33

No, Colin, the study said it was too small to be conclusive and they needed a bigger study. The bigger study happened and proved it didn't work. All the interesting blood stuff was actually meaningless as the study was so small it was just chance. Blood counts were not "significantly" better, in fact the study specifically says that the differences were not significant because the study was so small. And when they did a bigger one it didn't work.

That's not my opinion. That's what the study itself says.

Ad I'm not sure this is an answer to techs questions.

technodad · 04/03/2014 19:36

Thanks Colin.

I think that covers one of the two questions, but I am not quite clear.

Would it be possible to give a "Yes/No" answer to both of them (for clarity of your position), with any context or explanation as you feel appropriate.

Thanks

ColinFirthsGirth · 04/03/2014 19:38

Hettie - yes you are right in that the placebo can work whether you believe in it or whether you realise it is placebo.

I don't lie to my clients though, I am happy to tell that I don't know how some of my therapies work and that some of is placebo. I feel it would be unethical to tell them anything else. To be honest some of my clients use therapies as a last resort and have tried everything available. If you asked them if they mind if it is placebo they would tell you they don't mind because it helps them and their quality of life is better. Some of allopathic medicine is placebo too - so should Doctors say that to patients to? That is an interesting ethical debate in itself.

When I go to my GP I get 10 mins at the most to talk to him - like many others. When clients come to me they get over an hour just devoted to them and their issues. I provide free and low cost treatments to those that can't afford as well so it isn't just people that can afford it that can be helped by it. I think the placebo effect is so powerful that I think it can help with lots of things.

ColinFirthsGirth · 04/03/2014 19:40

Technodad sorry I am not sure which one of two questions I have apparently answered and which one I haven't answered. That is not saying I will answer though. I have already written alot of personal opinions and beliefs that have left me far open to insults etc that you and I am a human being with feelings so I may choose to not answer you.

HettiePetal · 04/03/2014 19:41

Let me guess.....homeopathy.

Do you tell your clients about the many, many studies that have been done showing that homeopathy does not work beyond the placebo effect?

And that given the enormous amount of evidence from physics and chemistry it can't work?

Note that.....BEYOND the placebo effect. This means that homeopathy (or whatever) does not usually work at all, in any way. That the placebo effect will kick in in a few cases is factored into the results, and it performs no better than that.

Oh, and Einstein said nothing at all about energy that could be used to shore up belief in complementary medicine. Just so you know.

Personally, I think it should be a crime to take money from people unless you can properly demonstrate that you are genuinely have something to offer. A crime.

crescentmoon · 04/03/2014 19:43

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technodad · 04/03/2014 19:44

Colin

Two questions (paragraph 2 and 3) in my post at 17:47.

Thanks

capsium · 04/03/2014 19:44

A lot of people would be out of business Hettie! Grin

ColinFirthsGirth · 04/03/2014 19:45

Beast - I was writing in relatio n to what you had written not Technodad. I am confused

Yes it was a small study but the results were statistically significant on a number of things -the statistics are in the main study. I know the second didn't find the same thing but you do get research saying opposite things. I still think that is good enough as a pilot study to warrant further research. I fully believe this wil be proven to help in the future. However I would never suggest that somone should have therapies/distant healing instead of medication. I fully believe in allopathic medicine.

ColinFirthsGirth · 04/03/2014 19:45

Hettie - no not homeopathy at all!

ColinFirthsGirth · 04/03/2014 19:49

Hettie - well you are entitled to think it should be a crime. However my give regular feedback which I will be auditing to show that they do gain benefits - not just from the therapy but from being with someone for over an hour who listens to them and cares.

Do I not deserve a wage for my work then? I go out of my way to help my clents. I have a very god reputation for helping people. I assume Hettie that if you work you receive a wage? I don't get paid much at all but I still have bills to pay for.

capsium · 04/03/2014 19:50

Incidentally I wonder how many of the scientifically persuaded use 'miracle face creams'?

technodad · 04/03/2014 19:52

I don't!

capsium · 04/03/2014 19:52

Think 'branded' hair products are better than cheaper 'own brand products'. Buy organic food...

capsium · 04/03/2014 19:54

Believe there is nothing wrong with eating lots and lots of sugar, unless you are diabetic....

capsium · 04/03/2014 19:56

Who is donating their body to science?

technodad · 04/03/2014 19:57

I am. Every last bit of it.

HettiePetal · 04/03/2014 19:59

What is this therapy then?

Beastofburden · 04/03/2014 20:02

Lets see.

I use boots protect and perfect range as I was persuaded by the research on it (remember that?).

I buy cheap shampoo etc and the only organic food I buy is milk, as we do know that drugs do pass into milk, both human and bovine.

I avoid sugar except in chocolate, and I do know that is bad for me but it is my favourite vice.

And my body is donated to science, they can use it for spares or teach with it, as they prefer.

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