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Christian Bible Study

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HoneyandRum · 29/01/2014 21:54

Welcome everyone to Christian Bible Study week 1. For convenience we are using the Lectionary Gospel reading for each Sunday. Our reading this week is Luke 2:22-40. For anyone without a bible here is the reading, (quite long):

"And when the day came for them to be purified in keeping with the Law of Moses, they took him up to Jerusalem to present him to the Lord - observing what is written in the Law of the Lord: Every first-born male must be consecrated to the Lord - and also to offer in sacrifice, in accordance with what is prescribed in the Law of the Lord, a pair of turtledoves or two young pigeons. Now in Jerusalem there was a man named Simeon. He was an upright and devout man; he looked forward to the restoration of Israel and the Holy Spirit rested on him. It had been revealed to him by the Holy Spirit that he would not see death until he had set eyes on the Christ of the Lord. Prompted by the Spirit he came to the Temple; and when the parents brought in the child Jesus to do for him what the Law required, he took him into his arms and blessed God; and he said:

Now, Master, you are letting your servant go in peace as you promised;
for my eyes have seen the salvation
which you have made ready in the sight of the nations;
a light of revelation for the gentiles and glory for your people Israel.

As the child's father and mother were wondering at the things that were being said about him, Simeon blessed them and said to Mary his mother, 'Look, he is destined to be a sign that is opposed - and a sword will pierce your soul too - so that the secret thoughts of many may be laid bare.'

There was a prophetess, too, Anna the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Asher. She was well on in years. Her days of girlhood over, she had been married for seven years before becoming a widow. She was now eighty-four years old and never left the Temple, serving God night and day with fasting and prayer. She came up just at that moment and began to praise God; and she spoke of the child to all who looked forward to the deliverance of Jerusalem.

When they had done everything the Law of the Lord required, they went back to Gaililee, to their own town of Nazareth. And as the child grew to maturity, he was filled with wisdom; and God's favour was with him."

(This quote is from The New Jerusalem Bible, a Catholic translation widely used in English speaking countries. If you have a different translation you would like to post please do, with details of the translation you are using.)

To fellow Christians: This is a place of fellowship, encouragement, gentleness and understanding as sisters and brothers in Christ. To help each other grow in faith, understanding of the scriptures and of each other's faith traditions in a respectful and loving manner.

Please share your reflections, inspirations, thoughts, questions, musings and findings from study here.

Shout out to those who dropped by showing interest in a Bible Study:
niminypiminy, wolfiefan, Dogonabeanbag, StressedHEmum, minniemagoo, lostblonde86, thegreenheartofmanyroundabouts, madhairday, thanksamillion, Loobingler, Tuo, Gingerdodger, ZingSweetApple, Cloutiedumpling, Gingercurl and AMumInScotland !

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HoneyandRum · 23/02/2014 12:57

And posting the Gospel reading for the following Sunday.

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capsium · 23/02/2014 13:29

Can't think which episode either, madhairday. Just remembered they'd ordered some robes which got sent to the wrong address. The man answered the door wearing them and would not give them back. Colin got them back in the end...

BlessedAssurance · 23/02/2014 18:51

Welcome Timetothink this is a lovely place to be.
I have a cold and so did not want to go to church and sneeze around infecting all the lovely babies there. DD would have none of it so off we went. Out of the several verses the preacher talked about was of course one of my all time favs. Isaiah 40vs31. "Those who wait upon the Lord shall renew their strength. They shall mount up with wings like eagles, they shall run but not get weary, they shall walk, and not get faint". May i say i was so tired i was dozing a bitBlush but when that verse was read i woke up because for some reason it brought me back to this thread and our current verse. Isn't it the same thing that God is saying in these verses. Waiting upon Him and all the promises that are connected with the waiting, then the seeking His kingdom and righteousness and all the other things being given or added unto us. It sounds like one and the same thing to me.Grin. What i am liking about Isaiah is that it can't be misinterpreted like the other one. Here God is saying walk with,for and in me and all these will be your life. There is talk of financial or material gain which is so often thrown in our faces but more to do with the inner man. I love it. It is more profound when one reads it from verse 28. Lovely verse!!! Can you see i got something from church today?Grin. I do not remember much of what the preacher said because i got sidetracked..

cloutiedumpling · 23/02/2014 20:53

I'm enjoying the posts on this thread. I don't really have much to add. I am a terrible worrier, although I am getting better as I get older. I love the way that the futility of worrying is portrayed so starkly - God can do anything but even with all of our worrying we cannot add one single day to our lives.

TimeToThinkOfYourFuture · 23/02/2014 22:02

Blessed I knew there was a link there somewhere and was trying to articulate it! I will take this as my mantra for the week as I return to work after half term: "they shall run but not get weary, they shall walk and not get faint". I have to say, one of the things I find hard about my faith is that I MUST rely on God and not myself, because I am so wary of relying on human beings. Like a loss of independence. Which is right, but hard for me to understand, when in all other parts of my life, I strive for that independence.

longtallsally2 · 24/02/2014 09:03

Hello ladies. May I join you, please?

I am finding it really hard to juggle the time my family need with time for bible reading and prayer but always seem to find time for MN Blush Blush so it would be really helpful to combine the two!

Marking my place for the new reading tomorrow.

niminypiminy · 24/02/2014 09:37

Hello longtallsally2 Smile, great to have you with us!

capsium · 24/02/2014 10:33

It is quite funny but sometimes I feel quite 'naughty' allowing myself not to worry. I feel modern culture is forever telling us to worry about all sorts of things. Very liberating not worrying though...Smile

BlessedAssurance · 24/02/2014 12:14

Long hello and welcome.
Time i know what you mean about trusting God completely. Salvation is a journey thank God for that. That means we will never get there completely because on the road we are faced with hindrances. These hindrances eg, sickness, family issues you name it. There are achievements along the way and at times one might feel that they have achieved something all on their own. The truth of the matter is God there whether we give Him credit for it or not.

My Dh is a physisist-scientist who does not believe in God. When i finished my A levels and passed with very good grades, i gave credit to God. His response" where does God fit in"? "You did all the work yourself" . He is both right and wrong. Yes i had to work extra hard because of language issues and i had the discipline to study and put extra work but i honestly believe that God helped me remember a lot of things during the exams. That He helped me understand a lot too which enabled me to answer questions asked by the examiner. I have issues in other areas of my life eg prayer life but relying and trusting comes much easier than those other things. But then again i have been in some situations where only the hand of God could have taken me out of.

We walk by faith and faith just does not happen. It is exercised. We have to learn and we continue learning trusting in Him.Reliance just like faith has to be learned and exercised. It does not happen overnight. Blessed are those who have mastered the art of relying on God. It is not easy. So time you will get there in due course and trust me we all have areas in our lives where there is an element of doubt[i am talking about myself here]. I have days when i doubt, mourn,complain,feel dissatisfied,disgruntled,and mad. However these are ashes compared to the joy and strength that is our Lord. He promises to see us through them all and that is the heart of the matter.

BlessedAssurance · 24/02/2014 12:17

Caps it is great not having to worrySmile.

capsium · 24/02/2014 13:31

Blessed It helps me to think in terms of the origins of the action concerning work. God is at the origins of the work we do by Grace. Activity has still taken place though! Grin It's like there to has to be intention or inspiration before we act, even the stuff we do subconsciously. I find the subconscious actions most interesting, especially when they turn out to be the right actions.

There are so many times I have happened to come across exactly the right information, at the right time, to help me or others in life. Smile

BlessedAssurance · 24/02/2014 15:53

Couldn't agree more..

niminypiminy · 25/02/2014 12:05

This week's reading:

Matthew 17:1-9

Six days later, Jesus took with him Peter and James and his brother John and led them up a high mountain, by themselves. And he was transfigured before them, and his face shone like the sun, and his clothes became dazzling white. Suddenly there appeared to them Moses and Elijah, talking with him. Then Peter said to Jesus, ‘Lord, it is good for us to be here; if you wish, I will make three dwellings here, one for you, one for Moses, and one for Elijah.’ While he was still speaking, suddenly a bright cloud overshadowed them, and from the cloud a voice said, ‘This is my Son, the Beloved; with him I am well pleased; listen to him!’ When the disciples heard this, they fell to the ground and were overcome by fear. But Jesus came and touched them, saying, ‘Get up and do not be afraid.’ And when they looked up, they saw no one except Jesus himself alone.

As they were coming down the mountain, Jesus ordered them, ‘Tell no one about the vision until after the Son of Man has been raised from the dead.’

madhairday · 25/02/2014 12:46

I always think it's easy to read through this passage and miss so much of it - I mean, it's mind blowing - I always giggle a bit at Peter and his shelter building - it's like 'wow, oh heck, it's Moses and Elijah, Jesus is like all shiny, what on earth can I say in all this? ummm....I could offer to like make a shelter for them...' Grin - like he didn't know what to say, because it was so awesome, so amazing - not exactly an everyday experience. - The Message describes the shelters or dwellings as 'memorials' and says

'4 Peter broke in, “Master, this is a great moment! What would you think if I built three memorials here on the mountain—one for you, one for Moses, one for Elijah?”

5 While he was going on like this, babbling, a light-radiant cloud enveloped them, and sounding from deep in the cloud a voice: “This is my Son, marked by my love, focus of my delight. Listen to him.”'

Then on top of it all. Yahweh himself speaking from a cloud, making them fall facedown - I love that then Jesus touches them, telling them not to fear. Incredible....

Nothing was boring with Jesus around, was it?

capsium · 25/02/2014 13:32

I think it is significant that Peter was not told to do anything, regarding building shelters or memorials, rather he was told to listen to Jesus...

BlessedAssurance · 25/02/2014 17:38

I just Grin reading Peter's comments to MHD. I think he was so overwhelmed by Jesus' glory that he lost reason for a while. So typical of Peter isn't it?

What amazes me is that these men wallked,ate with Jesus. They knew who he was and had seen Him do miracle after miracle,yet they had moments that they doubted. They were gripped by uncontrollable fear before the crucifiction that they went into hiding. How much more are we, whom have not seen Christ are in doubt or sometimes lose focus when consumed by fear? Thank God that He understands us completely. He touched them!!! We all need to feel Jesus' touch once in a while when we have been made incapable by our fears and He does 'touch' us a lot. At times we "feel" Him but other times not so much. It is just good to know His touch is a heartbeat away.

And yesmhd it was never a boring day in the life of hanging out with JesusGrin. I don't think it was all serious business with Him. I honestly believe they had moments when they was just too much laughter and joking. Just my opinion. I would like to believe He was funny...

madhairday · 25/02/2014 19:58

Totally, Blessed :)

cheapskatemum · 27/02/2014 20:02

The Message translation of Memorial makes more sense than dwelling to me, thanks for that, Madhairday

For me the importance of Peter, James & John witnessing God's voice, Jesus, Moses and Elijah in one place at one time is to prove to them that Jesus is God's son in all time: past, present and future.

BlessedA I hope your cold is better.

niminypiminy · 27/02/2014 22:34

Blessed I sometimes see the disciples as being like a caper movie -- Nazareth's Eleven (well, twelve really).

I've heard somewhere that the Transfiguration foreshadows the Ascension. It makes sense to me to think of three great moments when Jesus's divinity is openly revealed, one at the beginning of the Gospel story, one in the middle and one at the end: Jesus's baptism, the transfiguration and the ascension. They're moments when earth and heaven touch, and when God's eternity breaks into our world, and when past (represented by Elijah and Moses), present and future meet. It's no wonder that the disciples look so foolish and comically inadequate in their response.

But I think of it as a tremendous picture of hope -- just as Jesus was transfigured on the mountainside, with so will we be in the presence of God.

Gingerdodger · 28/02/2014 08:01

It's a beautiful passage with such visual events and I like the way this contrasts with Peter trying to make sense of it and be practical which is so human. I like the thought that it's where heaven and earth meet. I can totally relate to that at the moment. Having had some fairly momentous (and not in a good way) events in the last few weeks I can honestly say that I feel God's prescense in a far stronger way, just know the support and love is there. Not seen it in this dramatic way so I haven't had to offer to build any shelters! However can feel it strongly nonetheless.

BlessedAssurance · 28/02/2014 09:52

Too truenimi. Imagine that the disciples recognised Moses and Elijah. The bible does not say the two prophets introduced themselves. Peter and co "knew" right away who they were. So easy for me to find Peter offering to build a memorial for these mighty men funny but i know if Jesus was to show up, not even Him but an angel, i don't think i would be so brave as PeterGrin. At least he could talk. I would not be able to face the light and truth for i know my heart is impure. I could not manage at all.

capsium · 28/02/2014 09:59

I think Peter was quite a man of action! Smile

BlessedAssurance · 28/02/2014 10:12

Ginger Grin. Don't be so sure. God might still shock you and give you a visitation. In your case it will be David, Enoch[just to balance with Elijah who also did not die and maybe the patriach Abraham. Then you can still offer to build them shelters...Smile.

This morning going through my bible and meditating on the word, i was thinking about this thread and God put another verse on my heart. " delight yourself in the Lord and He will give you the desires of your heart". I was pleased because it ties with the our last verse and it was like God was confirming what i was complaining about concerning the prosperity gospel. I started thinking of what is it that my heart desires and i am pleased to say the first thing on my list was not material or financial, i desire that my husband will be saved. He is such a wonderful husband, father,son and brother but because at one time in his life when he was at the bottom swimming in depression he went to a priest for help and didn't get it. He now feels the church does not have the answers. Totally agree because Jesus have the answers. If only he could realise that God is not the enermy. Thank God this was many years before we met and he does not suffer from depression anymore..

BlessedAssurance · 28/02/2014 10:17

He was caps Isn't he the one who cut one of the soldiers ears too? So many layers to Peter and i think Jesus enjoyed having him around. Walking on water with Jesus[the only disciple to do this], denying Jesus only to be so upset that he lost it emotionally. The glass wasn't half full with this man, it was all or nothing. Maybe i should name my son PeterSmile

Gingerdodger · 28/02/2014 16:01

That would be interesting Blessed. As long as David doesn't show up with Goliath as he would be scarey and need a massive shelter!