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Christian Bible Study

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HoneyandRum · 29/01/2014 21:54

Welcome everyone to Christian Bible Study week 1. For convenience we are using the Lectionary Gospel reading for each Sunday. Our reading this week is Luke 2:22-40. For anyone without a bible here is the reading, (quite long):

"And when the day came for them to be purified in keeping with the Law of Moses, they took him up to Jerusalem to present him to the Lord - observing what is written in the Law of the Lord: Every first-born male must be consecrated to the Lord - and also to offer in sacrifice, in accordance with what is prescribed in the Law of the Lord, a pair of turtledoves or two young pigeons. Now in Jerusalem there was a man named Simeon. He was an upright and devout man; he looked forward to the restoration of Israel and the Holy Spirit rested on him. It had been revealed to him by the Holy Spirit that he would not see death until he had set eyes on the Christ of the Lord. Prompted by the Spirit he came to the Temple; and when the parents brought in the child Jesus to do for him what the Law required, he took him into his arms and blessed God; and he said:

Now, Master, you are letting your servant go in peace as you promised;
for my eyes have seen the salvation
which you have made ready in the sight of the nations;
a light of revelation for the gentiles and glory for your people Israel.

As the child's father and mother were wondering at the things that were being said about him, Simeon blessed them and said to Mary his mother, 'Look, he is destined to be a sign that is opposed - and a sword will pierce your soul too - so that the secret thoughts of many may be laid bare.'

There was a prophetess, too, Anna the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Asher. She was well on in years. Her days of girlhood over, she had been married for seven years before becoming a widow. She was now eighty-four years old and never left the Temple, serving God night and day with fasting and prayer. She came up just at that moment and began to praise God; and she spoke of the child to all who looked forward to the deliverance of Jerusalem.

When they had done everything the Law of the Lord required, they went back to Gaililee, to their own town of Nazareth. And as the child grew to maturity, he was filled with wisdom; and God's favour was with him."

(This quote is from The New Jerusalem Bible, a Catholic translation widely used in English speaking countries. If you have a different translation you would like to post please do, with details of the translation you are using.)

To fellow Christians: This is a place of fellowship, encouragement, gentleness and understanding as sisters and brothers in Christ. To help each other grow in faith, understanding of the scriptures and of each other's faith traditions in a respectful and loving manner.

Please share your reflections, inspirations, thoughts, questions, musings and findings from study here.

Shout out to those who dropped by showing interest in a Bible Study:
niminypiminy, wolfiefan, Dogonabeanbag, StressedHEmum, minniemagoo, lostblonde86, thegreenheartofmanyroundabouts, madhairday, thanksamillion, Loobingler, Tuo, Gingerdodger, ZingSweetApple, Cloutiedumpling, Gingercurl and AMumInScotland !

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HoneyandRum · 19/02/2014 18:03

What this scripture brought to me when I prayed and reflected on this passage was God's providence. This passage speaks a lot to me personally as our family found out we need to move by the summer - we are currently renting. We just spent the last year discerning which country we should be living in. After trips aboard and interviews etc. and being sure we would leave, we surprisingly came to the conclusion that we should stay where we are. After all the questioning, exploring and a certain amount of insecurity we were glad to come to a decision. I was looking forward to some stability but within weeks our landlords told us they would need their house back!

DH and I have had a range of emotions and naturally it can be unnerving but ultimately when I look at my life I see God's great Providence and goodness who has brought me personally and our family through many situations intact and thriving. So it's not of course like relying on fate but having trust that God knows us and loves us. I don't know what the next stage will bring but I do feel at peace (as long as I stay close in prayer!) also I am actively searching and listening to see where God will lead us.

Also God is in the now of eternity - always new and always ancient - he is not in time like us, so I feel it is reminding us to join Jesus in that constant awake state of now and not to throw ourselves forward or live in the past.

BTW the prosperity gospel is definitely not Catholic. I imagine Blessed that is must be a strong theme in the surrounding culture and so is perhaps being absorbed by certain Catholics, but it is not church teaching.

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capsium · 20/02/2014 08:27

I had a thought this morning, which I think just might be an important one - for me at least.

I think sometimes because God's Knowledge and Wisdom is so infinite, that the Holy Spirit can be prompting you, without you being able to even verbalize the hows and whys and wherefores in your thoughts. I get vague sorts of feelings about decisions and I don't know why until the events are subsequently played out.

I am always praying for God to put His desires onto my heart and can expect this prayer to come to pass, since I know this is His will.

So this is a reason for Faith. We can not always perceive the reasons or how things will pan out, we have to leave things to God because of His infinite Wisdom and our lack of it (apart from Christ).

BlessedAssurance · 20/02/2014 16:13

madhairday i lived in Zimbabwe and South Africa and may i say it is all bad, no, infact the prayer life in Zim is so much different from here. I was quiet naive when i first arrived in Europe and found out that there are more of atheists than there are christians. At least in the city where i live.Honey so right you. I was born into a Catholic family and in all my life as a catholic not once did i hear the prosperity gospel. It was when i left that i started hearing it and it did not sit well with me. There are two things that bind Africa. Poverty and worshipping of ancestral spirits. Poverty for most Africans is a way of life but the worshipping of ancestral spirits is hard to get away from. I am not going to go much into it but lets just say people need deliverance from both and pastors probably feel the best way to bring people to church is by promising that God will take care of both.
Capsium so true i had to unmake a decision today that felt right for me yesterday. It kept coming into my mind and nomatter how much i tried to justify my decision i did not feel at peace with it. As soon as i decided to change it i felt loads better so yes, The Holy Spirit is very much our guide. Isn"t it wonderful that we have our great Councellor? And Comforter?

midwifeandmum · 20/02/2014 17:16

I have to add how excited I was to see this post. Myself and dd1 (whos 4) have started attending our local for sunday mass. Both dds are being baptized on easter sunday and Im starting my RCIA course in September ( hubby is rc). I am just a novice to bible study, gospel etc. Im so glad theres somewhere here I can learn to interpretate the bible from other people. Grin Grin Grin

HoneyandRum · 20/02/2014 21:42

We're all learning Midwifeandmum and we can never plumb the depths but we'll all have a stab at it Grin

Very exciting that your dc will be baptized on Easter Sunday! I hope you enjoy RCIA. If you have a Catholic Bible at home and get a copy of the Catechism you can dip in and out of the scriptures and find references and explanations in the Catechism. Your parish should be able to give/lend you a Bible and a Catechism - just ask the RCIA team leader(s). You may want to see if your parish has a bible study you can join.

Blessed I definitely find the more I pray the more I can hear, experience and tune into the Holy Spirit. Without prayer we are just running on empty.

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HoneyandRum · 20/02/2014 21:44

BTW do you think I should ask HQ if I can change the name of the thread to just "Christian Bible Study" to avoid confusion?

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BlessedAssurance · 20/02/2014 22:33

You could ask honey

cheapskatemum · 20/02/2014 22:37

Blessed I wondered if you were from Zim, because I have several Zimbabwean friends in UK and they've said the same thing about Pastors back home. One has even distanced herself from her Dad because he's a Pastor that does that!

I love that I can now come on MN and discuss the Bible with fellow believers! Totally agree about the Holy Spirit working in oneself to affect behaviour. I am amazed at some of the things that have been accomplished in Christ, through me, thanks to the Spirit. Previously I was afraid to speak out against things I felt were wrong, against the Bible's teaching.

stressedHEmum · 21/02/2014 10:14

I detest all this prosperity gospel stuff. it's such a corruption of what Jesus actually taught.

I once saw a programme on TV, on one of the religious channels, where the hosts were interviewing an American evangelist. He was asking people to "plant a seed" of $52 so that God would return it to them 100 or 1000fold. He had all these examples of people who had sent him $52 and then come into money from somewhere. Obviously, that was God multiplying their gift. it actually makes me feel a bit sick.

Ii's a horrible way of basically extorting money from desperate people.

BlessedAssurance · 21/02/2014 16:33

cheapskate i am from Zim and the last time i was home my heart sank at the "plant a seed" gospel that stressed just talked about. My word are they rich most of these pastors. I went to a church service and when the pastor was preaching poverty stricken people were running to the alter throwing money[ planting a seed] because apparently if you did not plant anything then you were not going to reap anything. I felt really sad.
Stressed i could not have said it better. Makes one sick and sad. I hope things will change and that people will teach the true message of Christ, Salvation, nothing more nothing less.

capsium · 21/02/2014 18:27

Yes, there are so many other types of 'seeds' you can plant, not just money!

Loving kindness is a good one to start with I think. Smile

HoneyandRum · 21/02/2014 19:01

Thread title updated Smile

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BlessedAssurance · 22/02/2014 09:58

Agreedcaps visit the sick and elderly. Volunteering at an orphanage or something like that, not always money.

capsium · 22/02/2014 10:41

And of course some injustices are not solved by throwing money at the problem.

Sometimes the money is there but it is people's hearts that have to be changed before things get any better.

Money in the wrong hands can just make things worse...

stressedHEmum · 22/02/2014 11:03

Surely, the best seeds to plant are those that sprout through faith and love? So feeding the hungry, visiting the sick, caring for the vulnerable and just being a decent, Christian person.

Also the idea of planting seeds of faith in others, whether through mission of some kind or just through being an example of Christian living is far more important than chucking money at some greedy pastor. Churches need money to run, obviously, but no-one should be getting wealthy off the back of others.

capsium · 22/02/2014 11:33

Although I do think there is balance to be had. I do not think we have to justify every pound we give away to the nth degree. If you give in Faith, out of love I think God will honour that.

Where the distinction lies for me is if I am made to fell pressurised into giving. That is just a form of extortion.

madhairday · 22/02/2014 12:10

I want to 'like' all these posts!

So lovely to be able to talk like this with you all. I was reading the Barnabas magazine this morning about the persecuted church - incredibly sad. we have such freedom, here...

niminypiminy · 22/02/2014 12:36

I love this thread too, really enjoying everyone's posts. I like the line avout the lilies of the field being more beautiful than Solomon in all his glory. It makes me see fields full of wild gladioli (small, deep pink) which grow where my late MIL lived - and reminds me of her because she certainly never worried about clothes! I do though. When I was realised I might have a vocation for ordained ministry one of the things I really struggled with was the clothes issue (still do). This verse speaks very sharply to me!

madhairday · 22/02/2014 17:32

I have ordained female friends who still struggle with that, niminy. They manage to maintain their own beautiful style and still carry off the dog collar look....I'd struggle too, particularly when it comes to robes, but that's because I heartily dislike robes Grin

niminypiminy · 22/02/2014 17:46
Grin

Actually I don't mind robes, although I worry about candles and polyester in close proximity Shock

capsium · 22/02/2014 17:50

Did you watch the Rev episode about the robes? Grin

TimeToThinkOfYourFuture · 23/02/2014 08:30

Just wanted to say thank you for this thread. I am a non-church-attending Christian and have been since I left home as a teenager. I have realy enjoyed reading through this and having the opportunity to rethink some rather peculiar ideas presented to me through church as a child. I hope no one minds me joining in. Not that I necessarily have anything interesting to say!

HoneyandRum · 23/02/2014 10:19

Welcome Timetothink, come on in and join us, the water is warm Smile

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madhairday · 23/02/2014 12:33

Welcome Timetothink :)

Capsium, which episode was that? Have seen them all, trying to think back (love Rev)

Is there a new reading for this week? Wink

HoneyandRum · 23/02/2014 12:45

I think we are posting Tuesday-Tuesday to give people time to respond after services/Mass on Sunday Smile. For example, we will not be at church until 5pm today because of family commitments.

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