spirit in my house frightening my DD...

[hollowhallows]

I have NC for this.

OK, I know some people are going to think I am a crank, but here goes...

I have been aware of a spirit/s in my house since I moved in. In my family we are thought to have 'the sight' and it has been very real to me from the experiences I had growing up and experiences I continue to have. I'm not talking miracles or talking to the other side, just an ability to sense what others cannot, such as aura and spirits etc...

Because I was aware of spirits myself as a child from my own experiences, I was always aware that my children could experience the same thing. I have dealt with having 'the sight' (I don't know what else to call it, I know 'the sight' sounds cheesy) and as I have grown older it has bothered me less and I fear the things I sense a lot less. I hope this is all making sense, I usually keep this to myself

Well now my DD has started to very obviously see something that is frightening her. It is starting to become more frequent and is really upsetting her. It is always in the same place in the lounge and she runs over to me upset, crying and pointing towards whatever it is she can see. She tries to tell me but her speech isn't good enough yet, but her actions and feelings are very clear. Tonight she was so upset by whatever it was that she started crying and covering her eyes so she couldn't see it. I tried to encourage her to show me what it was that was upsetting her in case it wasn't what I thought, but she refuses to even venture to that side of the lounge when this happens. This has been going on for about 6 months but is now becoming more obvious.

I am not religious, I am not overly superstitious, but this is the one thing I genuinely believe in because I have experienced it myself. I have read stories by other MN's about their children telling them they had seen peculiar things so I'm hoping to get some input on how to handle this (and not be mocked in the process). When I sense something myself, I just ignore it. I'm not sure how to handle my DD possibly seeing things that are upsetting her.

"writing FACT doesn't make it true either"

You are right - I didn't need to write FACT, since the rest of the words were enough to make it true.

"Vaccination has nothing to do with the issue. "

Why?

• Anyway, I have started my own thread to discuss.

"But don't dictate."

I didn't dictate. I simply gave some advice and then everyone else dictated to me that I wasn't welcome.

Ah yes vaccinations- I have been told on more than one occasion that I am mistaken in my understanding of what happened to my son. From people who have never net him, don't even realise that autism is not one condition, have never seen his medical notes & have never spoken to his doctors. Yet they know. More than me, his doctors & the researchers we have spoken to. Arrogance in the extreme.

The tone used in this thread did rather remind me of the tone often encountered on vaccination threads by those of us fortunate enough to have children who have regressed. We apparently imagined all the skills they lost because it upsets people to think they might be wrong about something

And with that in mind it's one reason why I would never claim to know more than someone who was actually there - even though I'm not a ghost believer.

Why can't you give your advice and leave it? But no you have to keep on and on when the OP obviously doesn't see it your way.

There are lots of things that cannot be proven. Can you prove you love people? That you feel angry about something? These are things others have to accept. Why is it so important to you that everyone agrees with you?

It is not important everyone agrees with me.

Why was it important that I was only allowed to post if I agree with you?

Jimjams

I am very sorry to hear about your DC. Notwithstanding your personal situation, vaccinations still save vastly more people than they cause problems to, but nothing in life is risk free sadly.

Because some of the posts seem to be for the purpose of belittling the opinions of others, otherwise you would give your opinion and not keep flogging it. You can post what you like but it doesn't mean it's a decent way to behave. I haven't read all your posts technodad but I had one person on my thread tell me my child was attention seeking or schizophrenic and was rude and unnecessary.

So, because someone (not me) posted something on another thread, I am tarnished with the same brush?

I have only stayed on this thread because I was attacked earlier on for posting my advice.

Techno - I am studying science at the moment. I agree that there is a huge amount of disinformation readily available, and that people are gullible.

However, I still can't agree with you that categorically there are no ghosts. I did not say in my post that I or my friend believed a ghost had moved her hairbrush, I said that we had no explanation for why it was in a different place to where it was left it. I would simply say that there are some things which do not have a rational explanation.

I am not saying that there is not a scientific explanation for phenomena people experience - it is known that low frequency vibrations, and strong magnetic force can trick the brain/eyes.

What I am saying is that am not absolutely certain that science currently has all the answers. To paraphrase Donald Rumsfeld, (we know there are) things we know, and (we know there are things) we don't know, but, and it's a big but, there are also things that we don't know that we don't know ("unknown unknowns") and it would be arrogant of me to say that as a species, we have reached the limits of our understanding of any one thing - be that "UFO's", "Ghosts", "Telekinesis" or other.

OP - apologies for derailing. I hope that your DD is feeling calmer about things now. For all my sciencey studies, I would have done the same as you.

How does it belittle someone to suggest an alternative explanation?

Now that is a fair enough response technodad (to the vaccination point) - but actually quite an uncommon response on vaccination threads. It has been a common experience to be told that I'm wrong, mistaken, imagining things & that my 'beliefs' (which extend to nothing more than my own family) are downright dangerous. It's largely due to being on the receiving end of such vitriol myself that makes me careful to not outright reject someone's experience just because I can't explain it.

Thanks Jimjam.

My view on vaccinations is that it is a pure risk based decision, similar to many other scenarios in life. It is just a very difficult one because of the emotions.

We have to take an action, which might cause injury to our DC, in order to counter a threat that our DC may never get exposed to.

It is a horrible choice, and you have to simply play the numbers. Sadly for you, you made the right statistical choice, but your DC was one of the unlucky ones, which I am very sorry for.

I don't think science pretends it has all the answers, it's constantly seeking to understand what it observes. At present there is nothing to suggest ghosts are real beyond personal testimony. There is personal testimony about all sorts of weird and wonderful creatures. But without observable data there is nothing to go on and nowhere to start.

Curlew, a better analogy would be a parent posting regarding a child displaying behaviours symptomatic of autistic spectrum disorder. Then a poster comes on and says the don't believe in ASD and suggests the child's behaviour was due to too much sugar.

They are not simply suggesting alternatives, they are not being helpful. And they would probably be deleted.

As for you missing my confirmation bias post, I did have a chuckle at that.

"As for you missing my confirmation bias post, I did have a chuckle at that."

Why?

Should I have a chuckle at you ignoring my answer?

Because it your missing the post could in itself be an example of confirmation bias at work. That's why I thought you'd said it as a joke.

But we have good reason to think a condition called Autism exists. You'd have to have some evidence that ghosts are real before your analogy would even begin to work.

How is autism comparable to ghosts? You don't see posts about 'the Dr suspects my child is being haunted by a ghost?' or 'the school thinks a ghost is making it difficult for my child to make friends?'.

It's an analogy Head. And obe I think better fits this situation as we have indeed had posters on this site who deny the existence of ASD. I have not yet come across any posyers who deny that children suffer from migraine.

That should say one, not obe. Apologies for the typos, am on my phone.

But an autism denier wouldn't deny the impairments that are typical of asd. There is observable phenomenon such as stimming and poor use of non verbal communication. A denier would deny that it was a specific condition and that the behaviours were attributable to a general gdd maybe (speculating here as not familiar with their argument) With ghosts there is no data we can all impartially observe so the analogy is false.

And a migraine analogy is better because?

I didnt use a migraine analogy

So you think both Curlew's and my analogies are rubbish. That's Ok, she and I know what we are talking about.

I think.