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Hallelujah He is Here - Chataway

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DutchOma · 19/01/2012 17:24

Well here you are then Smile I don't post often, but just to save Nickel a job...

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TotallyUnheardOf · 02/02/2012 08:23

Oma... I think you need to record a 'Wise Words of Dutch Oma' podcast, which I can play to myself when I need some... er... wise words! Bless you. Smile

Bluetinkerbell · 02/02/2012 08:29

She is! :) We prayed together after I told her about Sterre. And we had a very interesting and meaningful conversation about the why it happened!

I take DD up for communion and break a piece of my bread for her. I think it is important to include her as she has chosen herself to be baptised last year and it would be so sad if we would tell her that she doesn't understand as she does, she knows it is sharing the bread and wine.

madhairday · 02/02/2012 09:58

Great news re VA, Blue. She sounds nice. So excited for you.

I'm with your vicar niminy - I don't see age or understanding as a blockage to the taking of communion. If we see communion as a sacrament, an outer sign of inner grace, we believe that God is doing a work of grace through it. Therefore it's not a jump to me to feel that God is working in the lives of whoever partakes - from young to old. I always think that if we got into too many discussions about age and understanding we would also have to refuse to communion to adults with severe learning disability. Surely God is bigger and beyond how we see things? I think it is good for children to then make their own decision through confirmation later, but when they are young I take no issue with them taking part in whatever way they are comfortable with - ie never forcing them (ds will have the bread but not wine because it makes him gag!) Grin

TUO - yes go along with dd1 and keep an open mind - you never know. As you know I am the very opposite and used to feel the same about going to a traditional or cathedral type service, but over the years have found that I can encounter God anywhere and it is my mindset that matters - if I go along with the attitude that I will worship, even if it is out of my comfort zone, then it makes a huge difference and I have sometimes been amazed at how much I find God in the services I used to take such offence at Wink So go for it, and you never know, you might like it Wink

We are having a big and costly crisis with the car and I am so anxious about it all. aaaaaaaggggggghhhhhhh

niminypiminy · 02/02/2012 10:11

Yes totally agree MHD that God is doing a work of grace through the sacrament, and that understanding isn't fundamental to taking it -- we have a child with a severe learning disability who takes communion, and I know that it's a highlight of his week. It's more that I wish he thought it was important that people should have an understanding of it as well as taking it.

MHD hope the car crisis can be resolved...

nickelhasababy · 02/02/2012 11:24

I'm going to lose TUO to HC, aren't i? Shock
Grin

TotallyUnheardOf · 02/02/2012 11:42

Noooo, I don't think so. But I will have a problem if DD1 decides she loves the local church, because I'd so like her to (want to) go... But it's so 'not me'. And DD2 really dislikes it too (it's almost worth going for the way she hisses 'TRESSSSSSSPASSSSSSSESSSSS' during the Lord's Prayer...Wink). Aaargh! [TUO's head explodes]

nickelhasababy · 02/02/2012 12:14
Grin Hmmm, maybe you need to find some friends who go to the local church and who want to take DD1 along with them Wink
madhairday · 02/02/2012 12:21

lol at her hissing trespasses! Grin

How old is dd1 again?

thejaffacakesareonme · 02/02/2012 12:51

Maybe the local church may not be so bad, or maybe she'd just like to explore things away from her parents. I know I did as a teenager. I "rebelled" and went to the local Baptist Church with my friends, only to find that half the people there knew my parents anyway!

We don't say trespasses up here. ALways catches me out when I'm down south. I'm not sure you can hiss debts and debtors in quite the same way. Maybe you could sneer the words instead

nickelhasababy · 02/02/2012 14:16

Isn't debts and debtors a methodist version?
it's definitely not a CofE wording.
butit is in the KJV bible, so maybe that's why you use it.

thejaffacakesareonme · 02/02/2012 16:39

I don't know anything about the methodists I'm afraid. It is the CofS version though. If it is in the KJV translation though that is probably why we keep it (the V standing for 5th of course!). I'm not sure that the meaning hasn't changed over time though and something else may be more appriopriate these days.

thejaffacakesareonme · 02/02/2012 16:41

Doh! That should have been VI for 6th of course. I'm blaming pregnancy hormones for being so stupid.

thejaffacakesareonme · 02/02/2012 16:48

That's what I get for trying to be smart!

nickelhasababy · 02/02/2012 17:05
Grin V meaning version... Wink

of course, CofS.

TotallyUnheardOf · 03/02/2012 19:23

Oh, nothing's ever simple, is it? Got the serving rota from the cathedral today and dd2 is meant to be boating on Sunday. Not best impressed with the whole "2 days' notice" aspect at all, but don't feel in a position to complain as it's only her second time. She definitely doesn't want to miss it, and it's the bishop (well, a bishop - suffragan bishop - rather than the bishop, who's very grand!) so I feel it might be a bit "not the done thing" to not turn up (even if I do feel a bit like making a point).

BUT I wonder if Jaffa is onto something... Dd1 was actually visibly delighted at the idea of going to the Guide service on her own. So maybe she is just trying to be independent.

I feel torn still, though. The services are at exactly the same time, too, so it's not even as if I can go to both. And dd2 can't go on her own, because the cathedral is further away and she can't really be left in the city centre on her own at 9, whereas dd1, at 11, is fine to walk back from the local church, which is just around the corner.

Aaargh...!

Jaffa... if this job comes off you may have to tell me about churches in Scotland... DD2 will not like it if she has to say "debtors", that's for sure...!

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DutchOma · 03/02/2012 19:53

Ok TUO you're off the hook. God heard your prayer before it was even uttered. He's like that...

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TotallyUnheardOf · 03/02/2012 20:23

Smile DO. I thought you'd be coming in to tell me off. You are the voice of my conscience!

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DutchOma · 03/02/2012 21:18

No, not at all. Given equal chances between attending dd1's service or your preferred service at the cathedral, I thought you should give dd1 the preference. But if you need to be with dd2 in the cathedral it's a different kettle of fish. Dd1 will see that. Would be wonderful if you and dh could share your attendance between the two girls, but that is perhaps asking a bit much? Can't out-ask God though...
Voice of your conscience...my footGrin

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nickelhasababy · 04/02/2012 10:41

at the very least, your DH could drop her off at the church if she didn't want to go alone.
(he might be persuaded to hang around...)

thejaffacakesareonme · 04/02/2012 11:00

TUO - do you know where the job would be based? AMuminScotland sounds as though she knows a lot about churches in the West.

TotallyUnheardOf · 04/02/2012 17:42

Aah... DH, DH... Yes, he will drop her off shortly before legging it in the other direction, nickel, but there is, I fear, zero chance of getting him through the door. (DO, I am praying, but it's a sign of just how big an ask this is, that currently I feel we're doing well that he doesn't actually mock, complain at, or undermine us for going... this is one for the long-term, I am afraid!)

Jaffa... the job is in Fife. (Was going to ask where you are, but don't want to look as if I'm trying to out you. If I get it, I'll maybe send you a PM instead.)

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DutchOma · 04/02/2012 20:16

TUO the bigger, the ask the bigger the answer. And let's be grateful for small mercies.

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nickelhasababy · 05/02/2012 18:27

anyone make it to church today?
we had about 6 inches of snow overnight, but we went - very small congregation, but 7 us in the choir Grin
we still did the set anthm - locus iste, which went okay, but DH had to fill in the bass line entries as the only bass there wasn't at practice and was scared of singing on his own.
I was the only sop, because the treble who was there wasn't at practice (school disco would you believe!! Shock) and hasn't seen it before - he made as bloody good go of it.
DH the alto and 3 tenors (only 2 knew it properly)
it sounded okay, but i was so convinced that i would go wrong (i could sing it in my sleep!)

we took the pram and had to carry it some of the way on the virgin snow, but went on the road for most of the journey.

Bluetinkerbell · 05/02/2012 19:32

hi ladies, just got back from the Children's and Families Ministries Conference in Eastbourne. It was awesome! Grin

Now chilling on the sofa and trying to stop my brain from thinking about all the superb ideas I got :)

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DutchOma · 06/02/2012 06:32

Well done, Nickel. I love Locus Iste, we sang it for a choir festival a couple of years ago, but dchoirmistress doesn't like singing in Latin. She is of the opinion that if you can't hear the words, music is of no value. "You might as well not do it, if you can't hear the words." I know what she means but it is rubbish of course, I never hear the words of, for instance, the psalms, even when sung by Kings College. Unless of course I know them.
What do you think?

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