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Pruni · 17/11/2005 23:07

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ruty · 19/11/2005 21:45

my grandfather was a socialist priest who had his nose broken by the police in a strike protest MT! And HELLO PAPS!!

ruty · 19/11/2005 21:46

don't know which websites you are looking at aloha, but i'd stay away from them!

Pruni · 19/11/2005 21:46

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roosmum · 19/11/2005 21:46

aloha - no MNing?

now that i can agree with
i have a 9m old ds who woke 6 times last night. he's asleep now - what the am i doing here, arguing this??!

aloha · 19/11/2005 21:47

Ruty, it's only the Bible....you know the one, the one the Christianity is based on...

aloha · 19/11/2005 21:47

And I should be talking to my husband...

Pruni · 19/11/2005 21:50

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roosmum · 19/11/2005 21:51

can't understand? why thank you pruni for your confidence in me!

my difficulty is the way in which things are constantly muddled on this thread, slipping from being one thing, to another...
it happens i guess, but has been hard to keep the discussion on track, or about the same thing.

ruty · 19/11/2005 21:51

Aloha we're not going to get anywhwere - i've given you all my arguments about the bible already - lets go and talk to our poor old husbands!

Pruni · 19/11/2005 21:52

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monkeytrousers · 19/11/2005 21:52

Ah though, socialism and Marxism aren't necessarily the same Ruty, but that's a different thread. The problem is though that there are so many ad hock positions within religion. Like you just adding that you believe in big bang theory, with respect, the goal posts in this debate are a tad mobile.

Roo - philosophy talks a great deal about morals. It's not the exclusive concern of theology. And just a thought on the rat race - how many practising christians are also capitalists?

roosmum · 19/11/2005 21:53

phew, thought i'd disgraced myself & my simple little faith

Pruni · 19/11/2005 21:54

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roosmum · 19/11/2005 21:55

MT - i'm a literary person by training, not a philosopher & we could do with one on this thread to unscramble a few eggs. my philosophy knowledge is a bit woeful unfortunately...

Pruni · 19/11/2005 21:56

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roosmum · 19/11/2005 21:58

btw pruni, i bet your dh is up there now, worrying insanely about that big unimaginable void...

ta for the read, duly added to list.
oh for the spare time of pre ds days, i really had no idea!!

Pruni · 19/11/2005 22:00

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roosmum · 19/11/2005 22:00

what the whole thing?? that must've been a big, um, job!

Pruni · 19/11/2005 22:03

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roosmum · 19/11/2005 22:04

fab! tone sufficiently lowered!

d'you think this thread is over?!

Pruni · 19/11/2005 22:06

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philippat · 19/11/2005 22:13

I'm about 50 argument steps behind here because it's taken me so long to read the thread .

The fundamental (if you don't mind my using that word) confusion seems to be because the christian way of handling society is so deeply intertwined with a belief in god, it's hard not to see atheism in the same way.

But atheism is something entirely different. You can have very similar views about society, morals etc, the difference is that the concept of god just makes no sense whatsoever.

It's incredibly hard to get over to someone who finds that 'nothingness' difficult and needs to find a structure to explain it. If you take away that structure and see life, the universe etc just as a random selection of stuff that just happens to have got us to this point in time, you're not 'unbelieving', the concept of god is just irrelevant. It's really not the same as an absense of faith or even an open mind.

Aloha's bible quotes might have given the impression that has a relevance for her, but actually I think she's just taking the opportunity to try and get her head round how you could possibly like that god. So while we're at it, could someone explain how you think you'll be 'with' others in the afterlife? How could it possibly work?

philippat · 19/11/2005 22:18

i've killed the thread, can I have a prize?

roosmum · 19/11/2005 22:21

philippat, i'd like to leave this thread, but just a point, since i think you're referring to something i've been talking about.

if i say that there's a structure to atheism, i don't mean that i'm equating it with faith/religion. i'm not trying to understand atheism via the mechanics of faith - & thus getting myself into all sorts of confusion & difficulty.
what i mean is that atheism has an internal structure (think structuralism) which it's possible to analyse/deconstruct.
risk setting this thread off again i guess, by all who insist the opposite, but there you go!

roosmum · 19/11/2005 22:22

let it die hun, best all round i think, it don't make no sense no more!!