Am fuming probably should be in aibu but

[MillyMollyMoo]

Next door caused that much fuss about our puppy last year climbing through the fence and doing his business in their garden and more to the point refusing to fix the shared fence so he couldn't do it, that we rehomed him.
It wasn't the only reason by far but if he'd been able to play in the garden plenty of other issues would have been easier to live with to say the least.
Well they have just informed me they are getting a new dog, not just that but one that grows to 68kg's and poo's like an elephant.
Am so cross they are either going to fix the fence when it suits them to have an animal or think that they are going to inflict the dog on us when our children had to loose theirs

Ah ha! Sweet Bella! You've been missed.

Where have you been, young lady? Old lady. Lady

Hiya sweeties!

Shall settle for 'lady of a certain age' if that's okay with you

Hope you & yours are well, gals. Am just about to head off to bed but hope to see you soon . Thanks for remembering the daft old bat!

Despite having dogs myself I can understand why MMM is worried about about a 70kg (Mastiff? Doberman? Rottie?) dog roaming free in a neighbouring garden with only a hedge to keep him out of her garden.

I have four dogs. A Staffordshire Bull Terrier, Cavalier King Charles, a Papillon and a Dogue De Bordeaux.

The DDB is just over 6 months old now. He came to live with us the same day as the little girl in Essex was attacked by the family DDB. It worried me tremendously as DS3 is just 4. I took advice and he was immediately enrolled with a trainer who trains police dogs and security dogs. He was neutered last Wednesday as neutering helps stop hormonal aggression in male dogs especially when they live with other male dogs.

We're doing everything we can to make sure he won't be a threat to us or anyone else he comes into contact with. I realise of course that you can never be 100% sure of how a dog will react in any given situation but I know that I'd be happier with a trained and supervised dog on the other side of a hedge no matter what breed it was.

I think we have to be realistic here though and admit that a Mastiff type dog poses more potential threat than a toy breed and therefore MMMs concern is understandable.

MMM you were completely bonkers to expect your neighbours to pay for a fence to keep your dog out of their garden so the earlier frosty reception your DH received when asking your neighbour about the fence was only to be expected. Give them a few weeks grace to sort things out with their new puppy and then if they are allowing the dog outside without close adult supervision try to talk to them again about the fence.

*Sorry, the attack was in Eltham and not Essex.

I might be worried about a large dog next door if I didn;t trust the owners to handle them propoerly - luckily our neighbours who had the biggets Rhodesian Ridgeback I've ever seen had him brilliantly trained and he was a lovely dog. Also very unlikely to be burgled with him woofing in the background.

But what I really want to know is... If you have little money and can;t afford even the most basic of fences (I understand I've been there), why did you get a dog? They do eat food and have vets bills - they don;t live on recycled newspaper and water. Wouldn;t a gold fish has been more sensible? And how did you get a labradodle to moult - I thought part of the point of a poodle cross is that they don't moult?

Well Kewcumber that was part of the shock if you like, we weren't expecting the moulting as I'd specifically gone for that dog on the basis that I cannot bear dog hair.
Feeding him was one thing, £8 a week is slightly different for stumping up £2k for a fence. A basic fence wouldn't be a problem, we can't have a B&Q £30 a panel job as I do believe I've mentioned once or twice.

We'll see how they handle it in time I guess, my only experience of that bred as I may have mentioned was a work collegues who's mastiff literally ate their staircase railings, not chewed it, ate it.

MMM my mums lab ate half a breakfast bar in just one night. She lives in a kennel over night now, with my Dad's pigeon. Who often kicks her out of the kennel

Some dogs chew things. It's just their nature. I do remember your old thread and I do remember that main reason you rehomed your dog was not the fence. More the fact that you were not prepared for the work and commitment a puppy would bring.

You cannot blame your neighbours for this. For the record though, my dad or pretty much any handy man worth his salt could have built you a fence for the price of scrap wood.

Shiny I really appreciate the sentiment but am getting really fed up of repeating myself, it really isn't that simple otherwise we'd have done it.
I do feel better about our boy eating the walls I thought it was just him but a breakfast bar is impressive by anyones standards.

And for the record there was at least one thread where I asked for advice about the fencing to get second opinions from people before the dog started to drive me up the wall, the fence wasn't the only reason but it was a big part in things getting too much.

MMM - as your other thread (which I've bumped) shows, the fence was definitely not the reason you rehomed your puppy. There were other factors, like dog hairs on your children's clothes. At the time I supported you because keeping that dog clearly wasn't going to work for you and the best option was to find him a good home. To come on here now and claim that your children had to 'loose' ( and it's lose, btw) their dog because your neighbours wouldn't pay for a fence is a bit rich, to say the least.

To be perfectly honest I think you feel guilty for getting rid of your children's dog and are worried the neighbour's dog will make your children see what they missed out on. I suggest you try and work through that, rather than damaging your relationship with your neighbour even further

All the best.

Kewcumber, Labradoodles can shed, especially the first generations. Later generations can be bred so they are less likely to and the Australian ones are also less likely to but there aren't any guarentees.

MMM you seem to think that saying over and over 'I've explained a normal fence won't do' actually explains why it won't do - it doesn't. OK you've got a hedge - so do millions of farmers, they still have to keep their animals contained. A normal panel fence might not be suitable, but it is very easy (and very cheap) to erect a simple deer fence, which could have been set up on your side of the hedge to stop your dog breaking out/their dog breaking in. Even if the hedge isn't a straight line, it doesn't matter - you either follow the line of the hedge with the fence, or continue in a straight line - wire mesh is flexible. If you can't go right up to the hedge for any reason, you lose a foot of your garden and bring it forward a bit. Wire fencing is very difficult for dogs to jump over because they can't get a grip on it like they can with a wooden one, and if it was next to a hedge it would be near impossible to escape, even if it was only 3 feet high. The materials are available very cheaply in any DIY store or online, and the invention of post spikes means you don't even need to dig out holes. You can have a wire fence even if the ground next to the hedge is concrete, even if it's uneven, even if the boundary doesn't run in a straight line. It can be made to any height, and would have been perfectly suitable for keeping your dog contained (and therefore keeping their dog out now). The fence is an excuse.

Oh for fudge's sake!! I suggested the simple fence similar to the deer fence yesterday. We did this two years ago, the hedge has completely grown back through the fence, fence is not even visible! Milly could have done this. But no, she chose to get rid of the dog. THIS IS NOT ABOUT A F*CKING FENCE but about Milly not wanting the dog.

I'm with you MrsL123.

Or alternatively a smaller, fenced off area in part of this huge garden, specifically for the dog? A few B&Q panels and posts or a bit of wire mesh fencing and a bit of elbow grease on the part of the DH with time on his hands?

Nah, then it wouldn't have been the dog's fault that he had to go!

On a cheerier note folks, I'm awaiting a call back from a fellow rescuer who is desperate to secure foster care for a 9yo Staffie whose family have split up and who will otherwise be PTS today.

Guess who's offered to put a temporary roof over his head until longer term foster/rescue can be secured?

I hate to spoil such a smashingly bonkers thread by, you know, trying to make a sensible suggestion.. but could you not just wait and see what happens with the neighbours' new dog first? Maybe you'll all love it!

And if it does start causing probs, deal with it then.

That's all I wanted to say. Sorry to spoil the fun.

For what its worth we had a big 7 ft hedge but it had gaps underneath. We installed deer fencing (strong enough to keep a stag out) all along the bottom. It soon blended into the hedge and cost hardly anything.
To be honest I don't believe all this parp about believe me it just wasn't possible. Tell us why then

We got a puppy two years ago.

Our garden was unsuitable.

So we got off our arses and did something about it.

DH spent 5 whole days putting posts in and fixing wire fencing so that the gareden was safe.

Costs us a few hundred pounds! but we got the dog, so it was our responsibility to make sure her environment was safe and appropriate.

You got rid of your dog because you are lazy and couldn't be arsed!!!!

Good for you, Val

tbh I think MMM's quote on the other thread 'a dog has no place in a well kept home and is a pain the arse' says it all really

That's a lovely thing to do val

Oh no, wait - what about your well-kept home?

LoL MrsL, if you could see the amount of fecking hair on the sitting room rug this morning... ! I hoovered 3 times yesterday but then just gave up! My GSD could win medals for moulting atm.

One more dog, one more load of dog hair, won't make any difference!

With two dogs and two cats, I'm amazed my dyson hasn't gone on strike! I picked my pets very badly - two black, one ginger, one grey - I should have picked one colour and made all my furniture match!

Hippo we all know the fence has got nothing to do with it, but MMM still mentions it at every opportunity, so we feel the need to mention it too

Hee hee, Val - I do know where you're coming from.

MMM - I can understand that not everybody wants a dog, but to go round saying you got rid of yours cos the neighbours wouldn't stump up £1k for a fence is stretching the truth just a little too far, don't you think?

I think the problem here is not that the dog couldnt go into the garden,its that the dog couldnt go into the garden unsupervised.

I have a staffy who thinks he is houdini,he,s never allowed out on his own and when we do take him in the garden we attatch a long rope to him so he can be easily caught if he decides to go walkabout.Also a tethered dog will not hurt himself unless left alone for hours on end.

Val,I am quite envious of you,I would love another staffy and I know my dog would welcome the company but just cant afford it atm.