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Doggy Dilemma: grumpy old retriever now untrustworthy with DS (3yrs). What to do?

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Time2Hibernate · 20/10/2009 13:42

We have a retriever who has always been fairly dominant all his life, and so we've had to keep the upper hand to reinforce his position in the family. He was fine with DS when he was born, but as he has got older, so he has become very grumpy and unpredictable with other dogs, people and specifically DS.

When the dog was about 11 months (ish) he used to bite quite a bit. On one occaision he bit and wouldn't let go of my DH on the arm as he tried to put him on the lead, fortunatley it was winter and it was through a thick wax jacket. It took both DH and me to release the dog's jaws. This was prior to him being castrated which happened swiftly after the incident. He calmed down a lot with no repetitions of biting.

The dog is very big - lying down stretched out he's the same length as my DH 6'2" and weighs a hearty, all muscle, 7 stone. He knocks me off my feet if he barges past.

Couple of examples:

DS who has been playing, minding his own buisness. I was in the garden with DS who momentarily walked down the side of the house between the wall and fence to get his trike. I hear DS get distressed calling me I rush to the side of the house (which is feet away) to find the dog pinning DS to the corner, staring him out, rigid and fixed. I called the dog who fortunatley backed off immediatley, slunk past me looking guilty, and I put it immediatley into a room, away from us all.

DS wanting to come into the kitchen from outside. Dog walks to doorway and stands deliberatley in the way and then faces DS off, who is oblivious to doggy NVCs and says to the dog: excuse me...may I come through? Starts to push through and the dog's face goes towards his head. I didn't see the jaws open but the dog wasn't going to let him through and I was able to grab the dog and push DS away.

These situations occur in seconds and thank heavens, again, I was on hand to see what was happening and prevent anything serious.

I have talked to the vet the dog is grumpy, unpredictable and more difficult to manage than ever, who just said that there was nothing they could do. "Dogs get 'cantankerous' (sp?) in their old age and can revert to type as they were in their 'teens' and that's just the way it is". The dog has been checked out for various ailments and nothing evident.

I'm in a real quandary. He is unpredicatable and I have lost trust in him. If I want to keep him then he has to be shut away from children, animals and people as he just suddenly runs at them. Having a 3 yr old in the house in areas that he can't go because the dog is around is awful too. It's like having and open and closed prison and I'm the warden.

I have tried everything I can think of: training, retraining,feeding after us (which is the norm) and he's taken out for two good walks a day etc and the dog is geniuinely a grumpy, beligerent old dog, who knows how to be good but chooses when to be.

Unfortunatley, the times that he picks on DS are becoming more frequent and I'm really concerned that the 'what if' scenario is going to become a reality.

I'm so close to taking him to the vets to ask for him to be put to sleep, as I want to remember him as the nice dog we once had, without regret. But my vet is not pro putting animals to sleep so I don't know what to do or what to say.

Suggestions??

OP posts:
Gracie123 · 21/10/2009 09:06

P.s. I know it wasn't you, but there were several posts of 'but the dog hasn't even bitten anyone' which suggested don't do anything until it has iyswim

LittleRedCar · 21/10/2009 09:12

Yes, but I think what those people were trying to say is that the dog hasn't shown any aggression. From what the OP has told us, I would agree - that it hasn't shown any aggression.

Any dog that showed aggression to dc I would rehome immediately. Not worth the risk.

What I am suggesting is that the OP get a behaviourist to assess whether the dog is acting aggressively.

Really got to go but leave me some biccies, okay?

Gracie123 · 21/10/2009 09:14

I'll try, but no guarantees. I got the munchies this morning...

Totallyfloaty35 · 21/10/2009 09:59

I said it has not bitten anyone yet,but i also said it needs to be kept away from the child, my thinking was that it did not bite so would be possible to rehome.

Gracie123 · 21/10/2009 10:07

Agreed. I think as long as you are honest about why you are rehoming, it's not terrible to pass the problem onto someone else. They know what they are getting into if they choose to take him on.

Ali4cotswolds · 21/10/2009 10:10

definately try a dog trainer or behaviourist.

DailyMailNameChanger · 21/10/2009 10:33

I haven't traweled through all of the extra posts here but just to say, my comment to whoever said we were all advocating the little boy gets bitten, was a sarcastic one. I was drawing her attention to the fact that not one single person had now - or would ever - advocate letting a child get bitten for the sake of a dog - that is why I finshed it with a face.

I know a few of you are new to pets but surely a quick flick through my posts would make it pretty obvious what kind of person I am WRT dogs and children? I always advocate sensible precaution for the child and fairness to the dog and I never let bad advice go unchallenged. If I really thought that was what any of you were saying I would have put you all on your arses (to coin a phrase ) hours ago!

Sorry for the confusion though

LittleRedCar · 21/10/2009 10:58

Sarcasm, huh? I reckon the biccie ration gets reduced for sarcasm, tbh.

Can I just do a back at you? There, I've done it!

Well, sounds like we are all pretty much in agreement anyway.

  1. Separate the child and dog
  1. Get the opinion of a qualified behaviourist.
  1. Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.
DailyMailNameChanger · 21/10/2009 11:07

Do you know why people say that? (number 3) Because they are not bright enough to understand decent sarcasm - and, to be fair, that wasn't even particularly good sarcasm

LittleRedCar · 21/10/2009 11:12

It was my mother's favourite saying.

How dare you insult my mother!!!!

thedollshouse · 21/10/2009 11:16

OP you know in your heart that you have to get rid of him. Perhaps there is an old person in your area who would like a dog?

Ignore LRC, she is clearly barking (no pun intended).

LittleRedCar · 21/10/2009 11:24

Yup, me and all the other experienced dog owners/behaviourists/rescue workers on this thread who all said

get a behaviourists opinion before you put the dog to sleep

how barking is that?

DailyMailNameChanger · 21/10/2009 11:32

Because an old person would be so much better able to deal with a dog attack than a young child with his (presuambly fit and able) mother around [for reference, to others on the thread, that was a sarcastic comment]

What odd advice, either the dog is dangerous or he is not surely? The fact that he has only stood in front of a child so far means nothing as this is a new development in the dogs behaviour (assuming it is and is not a misread sign of course) therefore you have no idea how it is going to develop and cannot say, at this stage, he will be safe with anyone person more than another.

The only way to deal with this properly, whatever you think of the signals/behaviour/ops knowledge is to get someone who really does know what they are talking about to assess it. They may advise a quiet home, they may advise PTS (although I would be surprised), they may advise some specific training or a multitude of other things.

Op, has your vet tested for epilepsy BTW?

moosemama · 21/10/2009 12:23
DailyMailNameChanger · 21/10/2009 12:42

Moose, I have never yet let the lack of an op get in the way of a good fight discussion

Here..quick, whilst no-one is around...

Shhh!

moosemama · 21/10/2009 13:41

Mmm thanks DMNC. Gratefully received. I am poorly and in need of as much sugary sustenance as I can lay my hands on.

thedollshouse · 21/10/2009 14:53

My dh works for an insurance company and sees horrific photos of children who have literally had their faces bitten off by dogs.

There is no way I would take any risk. The OP has had her dog for 11 years if she feels hhe is unsafe around children then he is unsafe around children.

My stepfather had a dog, the most loving and docile of creatures and then one day he just turned and bit a child for no apparent reason, after that incident he had to go. Very sad but surely the safety of child is more important than a dog?

thesecondcoming · 21/10/2009 14:54

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

LittleRedCar · 21/10/2009 15:09

No, 2nd coming, the sarcasm was this by DMNC:

Yes thesecondcoming, I was stunned at the number of posts here saying "honestly, wait until your son has a proper bite (none of that silly nip nonsense) before you do anything at all to address the situation" too

Glad I wasn't the only one who didn't realise that was sarcasm!

DMNC is at a Sarcasm Workshop as we speak, honing her skills

DailyMailNameChanger · 21/10/2009 16:37

LRC, stop trying to get me in trouble!

LittleRedCar · 21/10/2009 17:21

Moi?

(teeny bit of sarcasm there, btw)

You're back early from the workshop, DMNC. Nothing else they could teach you? You sure?

DailyMailNameChanger · 21/10/2009 17:27

I think you got the wrong end of the stick LRC, I was teaching the sarcasm class, not learning in it.

LittleRedCar · 21/10/2009 17:28

Well, you know what they say, dontcha?

Those that can...

{hhmm]

LittleRedCar · 21/10/2009 17:28

pmsl

DailyMailNameChanger · 21/10/2009 17:36

Nope, sorry, not heard that one, did you forget the rest of it?

[need raspberry emoticon]

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