Labradoodle pup

[luckyladygal]

I’m looking for recommendations for breeders of miniature labradoodle puppies in Scotland. With puppy farms being a worry I’m asking for anyone who can recommend genuine breeders that they have had a puppy from or know someone who has ?
I have looked at some of the well known websites but some of these puppies are nearly £3000 which is a bit much ?

No reputable breeder breeds crosses. I have had a Labrador and I now have a miniature poodle. Crossing these two lovely breeds makes no sense.

I just wanted to say, we have a labradoodle. Well, in as much as she is the offspring of two other labradoodles rather than a Labrador and a poodle.
As often happens in those circumstances, the Labrador gene is strong so people assume she is a lab. The only giveaway is a fluffy tail and some curls on her back.
She is honestly the most gentle, kind, friendly dog you could meet. People in our village call her “the happiest dog in xxx”. She has never, ever snapped. She’s been trodden on (accidentally!) snapped at by other dogs, attacked by our cat… still no response.
She is 10 next month. Still has all her teeth with no issues. Goes on two walks a day and runs and plays with other dogs. People always think she’s young, just out of toddler stage, as she’s so spritely.

No, there isn't necessarily a wider gene pool with a crossbreed, because either parent can be inbred or line bred, just a street dog or mongrel can.
Perhaps go and look up inbreeding coefficients on The Kennel Club website to have a better understanding of this subject.
Crossbreeds are just as prone to genetic defects as purebred dogs are.

That's disgusting. I thought it had been proven that early neutering increases the risk of HD and cruciate problems...? Just shows how much they actually care. I wonder how many litters each bitch has to produce...

It's a shame the patents aren't "much loved" and live a life being an overbred puppy making machine

Yep. Currently 13 puppies for sale. 4 more litters planned available Dec/January - Christmas pups here we come! Lord knows how many litters in total over a year.

Assuming average litter size of 5, that's 20 prospective puppies coming up on top of the current 13 available. 33 puppies at a guess of 2k each, 66k in a couple of months.

If that's not breeding for money, what is?

Someone mentioned above "no pure poodles were available". Yes, that is how it should be. Decent breeders have waiting lists and breed a small number of litters each year. Dogs aren't a commodity. Having to wait stops impulse purchases of cute puppies.

Sign of a puppy farmer, from Tora's FAQ
Puppies are selected on a first come first served basis, in order of deposits. When the puppies are born, if you feel we don’t have a suitable puppy in the litter, deposits can be rolled on to a future litter. This is only when the puppies are born, if you decide after this time that the litter is not suitable your deposit will be lost.

When you purchase a puppy from a reputable breeder, they use their knowledge of the litter to pair you with the most suitable puppy. You don't pick the pretty one (or whatever you select on). A good breeder knows the rambunctious puppy, the quiet puppy etc Like people, dogs have personalities.

It isn't a line up where you get first pick because you are first on the list.

I have/had two, the first one was an Australian miniature labradoodle (small lab sized). He was pts last year at 15 but was a great dog. Sorry not in Scotland. My second is a labradoodle/miniature poodle cross, also a sweetie though completely different temperament. I think doodles are great but other than Australian labradoodles (mine came with a five generation pedigree going back to the original ones in Australia, and all looked very similar) you don’t know what they might be like.

Someone told me their doodle was a pedigree because both parents are doodles. This complete lack of understanding about dog breeding is scary.

Here’s me feeling virtuous AF because we wanted a family dog so kept our eyes on all the local rescues and got our lurcher retriever mix puppy who is not cute to look at but a lovely natured lad. Handful mind because he’s huge.

Everyone gets cockapoos round here!

You will just get hate on this site for wanting a doodle.

I would rather a doodle than a purebred dog that can't breathe or have issues with their spines, which lots of pure breed snobs seem to think are ok.

We had the loveliest large labradoodle who lived until he was 14, with no allergies or health issues.

Ignore the snobs happy to breed dogs that can't breathe because they are pedigree dogs.

Labradoodles are fantastic.

Ignore the snobs happy to breed dogs that can't breathe because they are pedigree dogs.

People on this thread are talking about getting dogs from reputable breeders who breed healthy dogs, and trying to suggest what to look for.

No-one has suggested that a reputable breeder will breed an unhealthy dog who can't breathe.

And again for the hard of thinking
Nobody hates any type of dog but lots of us DO hate puppy farms (and the idiots who perpetuate them)

I have no issues with doodles as a concept.

I do have an issue with people recommending "breeders" who are just puppy farms, churning out dogs for profit with no regard to welfare.

I feel the same way about "breeders" of pure-bred dogs too, FWIW.

Very much how I feel.

I say this all the time on mumsnet: If someone could provide the name of a good cockerpoo/labradoodle/golden-doodle kennels, I would genuinely be thrilled. But time and time and time again it's a puppy farm. And the worst part is the people recommending it do not give a stuff.

That’s a ridiculous comparison. A doodle or a dog that can’t breathe? The vast majority of dog lovers share your disgust about flat faced breeds. Thankfully there are plenty of long nosed breeds to choose from.

A reputable breeder will mate health checked dogs, with desirable characteristics.

Sadly the money grabbing types don’t care about their dogs, or the quality of their offspring. Hence the horrible puppy farms, where puppies are produced on a conveyor belt, from poorly cared for bitches. These poor bitches are often discarded once they have made plenty of money. It’s all about the money making and nothing to do with a love of the breed.

Reputable breeders love their breed. They are motivated to have healthy puppies with loving personalities. They don’t actually make much money, if any.

Yes I am looking for recommendations for a REPUTABLE breeder for a Labradoodle. I am not interested in those trying to discourage me from this breed as I have experience with Labradoodles and love them but the breeder we have used twice before is not breeding anymore so hence I am looking for another and have seen some of the large concerns mentioned here already and it’s not for me so would appreciate anyone who has a much loved labradoodle getting in touch if they are happy to recommend a breeder ?

Why not go on a specific forum about Labradoodles if that's what you want?

And is the fact that the ONLY breeders people seem to know of are actually puppy farms telling you anything?

Clearly not, la la la, not listening………

@SkiAndTravelTheWorldWithMyDog what do you mean?

Neither labradors nor poodles are brachycephalic so a labradoodle isn’t going to suffer from the breathing conditions associated with eg frenchies. Similarly ‘issues with their spines’ is a feature of breeds like dachshunds. Good breeders of those breeds will not breed from dogs with genetic faults like breathing problems or IVDD. That’s kind of the whole point about getting a pedigree dog. You can you find one with the relevant pre-breeding health investigations and you can see the genetic lineage for decades.

Personally I am not hung up on purebreds because I think the kennnel club is a horrible model and it has promoted breed standards that are unhealthy and damaging to dogs. However … they do maintain the only health test and genetic test database for dogs in England.

I’d never, not ever, ever, buy or rehome a dog without either: very extensive pre-breeding health screening of both parents including joint studies, heart scans, inbreeding calculations, and (very lastly) DNA profiles; or charity-covered vet bills.

Three friends got rescues. One Romanian: £13k in vet bills at 5 years of age for multiple joint issues; one Bosnian - brucellosis. It didn’t end well; another Romanian rescue with a serious allergy and treatments costing £170 per month. On and I forgot the lady across the road with a jack/ lab/ hound cross -she has been selling shit at car boot sales for the last 18 months to afford bilateral hip replacement for her dog -£17.5k.

Two friends got KC dogs. First got one off KC website - “health checks” - was a posh puppy farmer with several breeding bitches. Dog is reactive and really NOT a naturally reactive breed.

Second got a nice, healthy, trainable, amicable dog, super-rare breed.

Please could any experienced dog owners recommend a small medium size dog for a family. We work from home every day. Could do an hours walk a day, longer at weekends and could use a dog walker if needed. Thanks. Appreciate your input.

Could I recommend starting a completely new thread rather than asking here?

Visit breeders in homes, if its a family home only a few dogs and they are def loved and pets I think that's the best way to find a well rounded dog. Licensed breeders are churning out for profit and ones i've visited the animals live in a converted garage or shed, poor pug we took home ( I couldnt leave her ) had extreme anxiety every time we went out the house. I started with her in a bag back but she still screamed like I had stolen her took a good year to get her walking and enjoying outside. Our labradoodle was from Wolverhampton we live in Devon but it was worth the trip, pups in the lounge in a run tv, kids around and she has turned out to be the most beautiful well rounded dog ever shes two now.