To ask you to sign this petition to tax wealth rather than attacking the most vulnerable members of society?

[QuestionableMouse]

https://www.change.org/p/tax-wealth-don-t-cut-disability-support

I've signed it.

If the cuts do ahead thousands of people are going to be badly affected (me included due to long COVID which has left me chroniclly unwell)

As a side note, it irritates me when people make sweeping statements like ‘the rich use trusts so they don’t pay tax’.

Leaving aside offshore trusts where the rules are more complex but give very few if any advantages for UK individuals, UK trusts do pay tax! They pay income tax on their income, and capital gains tax on their gains, at rates the same as the highest rate applicable to individuals.
They also pay inheritance tax, they just pay it differently, at a 6% rate every 10 years. Plus potentially a 20% charge on the way in. So it is possible they may pay more or less inheritance tax than someone owning assets personally, who may give it away (and pay no IHT after surviving 7 years) or 40% if they die with their assets.

It's not that the poor don't want to pay more. I'd absolutely love to be working again and not as physically unwell as I am. I don't know if I'll ever be properly well again.

It's a trial and it's not in any stores in the north east yet unfortunately.

https://glutenfreecuppatea.co.uk/2025/04/15/aldi-uks-new-free-from-range-2025/

Disability Benefits and schemes like the NDIS should be structured so that they are sustainable into the future.
It's not sustainable to pay more than a maximum of two times the payment of the aged pension per disabled person, plus medical treatment, plus private health cover, and also offering access to shared housing. Safe and caring is acceptable.

Paying for all people on the NDIS to live their very best life while working young families and pensioners find it harder to afford medical treament is bollocks
Some disabled people are in receipt of more than 400,000 per year in Australia. It is madness and unfair to think that that is sustainable when the old aged pensioners rarely get increases.

Wow! Nearly a quarter of our council tax going to public sector pensions

@User46576 Yep. And the pensions are generally still defined benefit and superior to those of most private sector employees.
Council tax also part funds council salaries.

The Duke of Westminster, Hugh Grosvenor, has an estimated net worth of £10.127 billion as of 2024. His wealth primarily comes from his family's extensive real estate holdings in London and beyond.

Absolutely completely disgusting!! Ashamed to be a human being with someone like this around

That’s not true. He does pay taxes on the same basis as everyone else (why wouldn’t he?). Also almost all of the property you attribute to him is not owned by him but is owned by a trust (trusts pay tax too before anyone claims otherwise).

people need to stop spouting this type of nonsense if they want to have a serious discussion about tax. It’s not helpful

Aw bless is his wealth held in trust? Sorry, i dont buy that bullshit

No one person or family should have access to £10,127,000,000.00 - thats ten billion one hundred twenty-seven million pounds.

In 2014 The figures from On Stride Financial also indicate that* *£1 billion could also buy you 4,697 houses in Edinburgh, 10,688 in Bradford, or 7,637 in the East Riding of Yorkshire.
so 10 billion would have bought around 46,970 houses in Edinburgh, 106,880 in Bradford, or 76,370 in the East Riding of Yorkshire.

Why is this ok?

Oh OK.
Had thought that may have been of interest and a positive thing. But let's focus in negativity.

So how much is acceptable? And how would the economy work if every successful business was taxed out of existence. How would we fund the NHS and welfare state without successful people and businesse, which generate the bulk of HMRCs income?

I'm not talking about "taxing them out of existence" I'm talking about one family having an absolutely obscene amount of money??

OK, so how much is too much? They have an 'obscene' amount of money, and will pay an 'obscene' amount of tax as a result. But they also employ a lot of people and generate a lot of economic activity. Sure, tax wealth and discourage enterprise - it can move as we have already seen under this governvment and the last. But long term tax income will fall. How do you propose to replace that?

@Meadowfinch So its value is not unearned or inherited, thanks !

But it will be for your DS.

It is of interest and when I heard about it yesterday I was genuinely excited. I just have no way to access it unfortunately because my closest Aldi that carries it is over 100 miles away.

It'll be amazing and a genuine help if they decide to continue it and bring it into more stores though.

So you do want to be able to decide what happens to other people's money?
How will people see it when the gov start with the 'right, it's unfair that some people are able to save money, and other people don't, from now on, any savings you have will be taxed at 85%..... no one should be spending money on anything other than basics needed to survive, anything above this will be taken and placed into the 'pot'.... and shared out. #TheGreaterGood...

And neither is it helpful to provide excuses for a billionaire avoiding inheritance tax.

William Windsor didn’t pay any on becoming POW either when he was gifted the Duchy Estate.

We’re being royally shafted with this shit and most people want to drop their trousers and bend over for it.

No

This thread is turning into a state grab of possessions. I really find it distasteful. It won’t end until we have a communist existence where the state grabs everything. We need a mixture of inherited, enterprise and earned. We need jobs. The value of the Grosvenor estate is 1/20th of the NHs annual cost. It’s a pointless discussion.

Ultimately this is what it's all about. Lots of people feel entitled to spend other people's money.

Other people's money made from the hard labour of the first people though. Yup, that's capitalism, the money made by the rich was made FROM the poor.

You are aware that you can voluntarily pay more tax if you wish? I’m sure your accountant will be able to help you with it. You can go back 6 years I believe if you’re so keen to pay extra, no one is stopping you!

Is it 'all' unearned' income that people are clamouring to be taxed?

I find it really distasteful being called a burden and the vicious joy a lot of people are showing towards being absolutely awful disabled people.

I'm not being entitled in wanting to fucking live.

I don't think most people think that @QuestionableMouse there are just a lot of them out today. Sorry