Call for a General Election-petition exceeds 200,000 signatures

[ForsythiaPlease]

In six hours, this is unstoppable-please sign and share
https://t.co/0aZ6Q6VhZD

Even better. 😊

Absolutely not. Are you for real??

Isn't it REEVL anyway??

Yeah, I would quite like some boring competence for a bit!

They should be. The guy earning 130k is paying 10x more tax and helping them have better services.

When one person earning 130k leaves the UK or has their job moved overseas thats in very simple terms 49k tax lost or net tax loss of 32k (eg the subsidy that the lower earners receive from the higher earner).

You cant replace a 130k wage earner with 4 new jobs at 30k - those people earning 30k only pay 5k in tax and receive a subsidy of 12k each (the states spends 17k per person). So that means 4 more people on 30k jobs who need to be subsidised is a tax loss of 12k per person so almost 50k of tax loss.

What you should understand from this is we really really need higher earners in the UK and every time one of their jobs goes overseas its a problem and means everyone else has to pay more tax.

It also means immigrants on low wage jobs are a big problem as they are on average a tax cost (assuming they are in employment).

RETEVL surely.

Not trying to subvert the will of the people, are you OP?

"You lost, get over it" I think is the phrase.

This anti-Brexit petition got 6 million signatures, so perhaps we need to deal with that one first?

https://petition.parliament.uk/archived/petitions/241584

Petitions are part of the democratic process though

I know on mn it looks like people think they're well liked and doing well but plenty don't think that's the case

Maybe the people who signed the Brexit petition were mainly overseas, so it was dismissed.

Might be the same with this petition - who knows?

Yeah, I would quite like some boring competence for a bit!

A stagnating economy and high tax and spend plus huge borrowing isn't really that

Which is why so many groups so far have had to bear 'difficult decisions'

Maybe not your sector yet but you will need growth for it not to impact

If they can't turn it around all spending budgets will go down

One million !

Elections aren't advisory.

One Million people who don't seem to understand how our electoral system works .......not much of a surprise though

Elections aren't advisory.

Did I say they were?

I said petitions can and do happen. And a fair few are signing this one.

All part of Labour's first few months and many people showing how they feel

Starmer was hardly popular before. I doubt he will care - he isn't Boris. He rebalancing the country. The Tories would have means tested the WFA years ago if it wasn't their core vote, it is a very typically conservative policy. The Tories should have done more to reduce the benefits bill again that is what conservatives should stand for - will they now object to benefit reductions? We have a productivity problem in this country not an employment problem.

But also totally meaningless. If people want something to happen they are going to have to do something not just click a button on a screen.

The same applies to all the Brexit one. Actually do some campaigning on whatever issue is making you cross.

No, of course not. They can sit back while those on benefits are hammered knowing that Labour are going to deliver the kind of policy change they could have never implemented.

Having the left do their dirty work with their #we'rethekindones policy armour is perfect for them.

Turns out his approval ratings were higher than Boris started with.

Starmer was around 0 IIRC. Boris’s was about -20 when he was elected in 2020.

I wonder whether either Starmer is just less popular than we expect labour PMs to be or whether it’s just the media narrative is that he’s unpopular in a way it never was for Boris.

Of course they happen, but nobody pays the slightest bit of attention as the Brexit one shows. Since then it has been proved just how badly this has hit our economy, perhaps if we reversed that the growth we so desperately need would be easier to attract.

People are hugely missing the point which is not surprising. Outside of the MN echo chamber of wanna be Keir buddies - people are unhappy. The only people who aren’t are public sector workers and socialists not impacted in a catastrophic way by the budget.

The pensioners on the basic pension? The minimum of 50k on track to lose their job because of the huge tax grabbing budget. Those on track to lose their job when it trickles down and those who keep their jobs have pay freezes. Less need for retail, services, cleaners, etc. They might well be slightly more pissed off. They don’t have all day to post though; they are working or freezing.

Next week it’ll be turn of the long term sick and those not in full time employment.

People aren’t happy and they are worried. People can live in their public sector bubble for so long. However that will be next if the private sector keeps shrinking and the catastrophic job losses happen. You can’t fund the public sector and state without the tax and wealth from the private sector….

Petitions are an excellent pressure release valve
and achieve nothing at all

I read it so very different to you, one million people who feel their voices aren't being heard and who are voicing their discontent with this government. Remember that some of those people 'who don't seem to understand how our electoral system works' can vote and their votes carry just as much weight as anyone else's. The electorate represents the full spectrum of society and governments need to understand everyone's concerns - educated or not.

If you think a petition to call a general election 4 months after the last one is tapping into what the general public want, you've no room to talk about echo chambers.

its over a million now. And sure, everyone knows they won’t call an election, but it can’t force a change of policy, a change of leader. It’s a strong message the electorate is sending. Sure they will ignore its demand, no one is foolish enough to think otherwise, nor do they need telling, but there is no surprise or ignoring the message.