Petition to Update the Equality Act - thread 2

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To update the Equality Act to make clear that sex is biological sex, not sex as modified by a gender recognition certificate,
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Let's see if they've had a change of mind in another 25 000 signatures.had

They know that we know the law is corrupt. And it's not working as it should for women.

Just crossed posts, Cattenbutg

I feel angry that they are too dim or too slithery to see that non-speak has been infiltrating the language for long enough, and single spaces have been so thoroughly removed on the basis of gender identity ideology, that they have to take a stand.

They now need the law to make c8lear what sex means in the face of all this.

Maybe it really is MP writing time.

Keep signing. Keep showing them this matters. Let them know they are seen very clearly too.

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It’s going up about one vote a minute at the moment. This board is getting read so keep bumping this thread!

It's a good thing but it is updating quicker than I can post a picture

I shall look forward to seeing what it is in the morning.

Oooohhh it's so tempting to go and check....

Ignores petition tab.

I am thinking with rage, Boiledbeetle that the Government may be sitting on the fence about this because of the counter petition against this petition [to clarify the meaning if sex] which they also answered today.

By saying it is fine as it is, they are actually complying with the counter petition while also saying to this petition that ‘everything is fine’ when it self evidently is not.

The meaning of sex has even recently been changed on the OED App because institutionally captured Apple creators think homosexuality means same gender attracted. The Oxford English Dictionary as used by schools says gender and sex is the same thing. Lady Haldane says they are the same thing.

Institutions everywhere from M&S to schools have changed the sex of women and girls to mean mixed sex.

The Gov. has to step in to make clear that the word in the Equality Act that says ‘sex’ means only one thing and that is biological sex.

To sign the petition to try to persuade the Government to make a meaningful stand,
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Signed!

Galadriel90 · Today 23:02
Signed!

That’s great, Galadriel90 It’s good to know some late night signing goes on.

To sign the petition to try to persuade the Government to make a meaningful stand,
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Signed!

Couldn't resist

They aren't going to be able to maintain any of their carefully created fictions that everything is fine, no clash of rights any longer. This will get sorted one way or the other and i suspect quite soon.

I just noticed this in the response to the counter petition:

The Act makes it clear that providers have the right to restrict use of spaces on the basis of sex and gender reassignment where this is justified.

Are they saying sex and gender reassignment are joined together at the hip in being allowed to keep ordinary men out? If so, that is proof that they too are conflating sex and gender.

How do they expect ordinary providers of services to make sense of this sort of statement without unaffordable legal costs?

Come on Gov.U.K. Start speaking English and make clear that sex in the Equality Act means biological sex, not anything to do with gender reassignment or gender recognition certificates.
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I’m trying to understand how the protected characteristics work in practice. Please correct me if I’ve misunderstood the Equality Act (2010). I’ve had to learn a bit about equalities legislation for work, but I don’t have any legal qualifications.

OK, so a trans woman, for example, would be protected against discrimination based on her gender reassignment.

She would also be protected against discrimination based on sex. Firstly, because everyone has a sex. Secondly, because if someone thinks you have a particular protected characteristic and treats you unfairly as a result, that is also unlawful discrimination. So, if a trans woman was subjected to sex discrimination because she was believed to be female, she would be protected under the Equality Act.

So, in practice, would trans people lose any protections under the Equality Act if the protected characteristic of sex was defined to mean “biological sex”? Also, would this change make it easier for organisations to apply the sex-based exemptions in the Act?

I am so sorry but I don’t understand enough to answer you.

I think protecting gender reassignment would mean that if a man who believes he is a woman applies for a job looking oddly like a man dressed as a woman, you couldn’t not hire her just because you don’t like the look of her. She is worthy of the same respect and consideration based on her skills as any other woman you might hire. But I am not sure where her sex (male) comes into it or how it interacts.

Look at this thread.
Scottish rapist’s crime to be recorded as female

Update the Equality Act to make clear that the characteristic ‘sex’ means biological sex
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at this point i think even the people who wrote the legislation don't understand enough that they could answer properly.

Boiledbeetle · Today 01:20
at this point i think even the people who wrote the legislation don't understand enough that they could answer properly

Inthink it was all sorts of legislation that they cobbled together in one new bundle without enough thought. The only saving grace was a clause to say adjustments could be made if necessary at a later point.

Well the time has come,surely!

Update the Equality Act to make clear that the characteristic ‘sex’ means biological sex ( because since 2010 when it was devised people have been working hard to ensure no one knows what sex means any more. That is why, for example, a government body is recording rape with a penis as a woman’s crime)
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Hope people don't mind me posting this. I saw it on the other active thread:

Waitwhat23 · Today 08:42
For those who haven't seen these -

archive.ph/2022.10.04-232359/www.thetimes.co.uk/article/half-of-scottish-trans-prisoners-changed-gender-after-convictions-pftqbbhg6

www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/scottish-news/anger-trans-inmates-revert-males-25840252

I wonder if the reference to single-sex rape support groups is because they know that 'Sarah' is bringing a case about rape crisis centres. I assume that if she loses, they will have to clarify/amend the Equality Act to keep TIMs from using rape crisis centres for sexual titillation. Sorry to be blunt but that's why they want to be there.

NorthernLights2023 · Today 09:16
I wonder if the reference to single-sex rape support groups is because they know that 'Sarah' is bringing a case about rape crisis centres. I assume that if she loses, they will have to clarify/amend the Equality Act to keep TIMs from using rape crisis centres for sexual titillation. Sorry to be blunt but that's why they want to be there.

Imagine having to bring a self funded/crowd funded court case just to have the right to a sex based rape counselling centre for raped women, because providers do not understand or the Equality Act.

Update the Equality Act to make clear that the characteristic ‘sex’ means biological sex
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petition.parliament.uk/petitions/623243

Don’t give the Government the chance to carry on maintaining that the Equality Act is clear as it is about protecting women’s sex based safe spaces.

At the very least they could make clear that ‘sex’ in the Equality Act means biological sex which never changes no matter what identity someone has.

Update the Equality Act to make clear that the characteristic ‘sex’ means biological sex
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petition.parliament.uk/petitions/623243

Update the Equality Act to make clear that the characteristic ‘sex’ means biological sex
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petition.parliament.uk/petitions/623243

Update the Equality Act to make clear that the characteristic ‘sex’ means biological sex
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petition.parliament.uk/petitions/623243

Update the Equality Act to make clear that the characteristic ‘sex’ means biological sex
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petition.parliament.uk/petitions/623243