to ask why you wouldn’t sign the petition?

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The petition set up by Amy Desir (one of the women who self identified as a man to attend a men only swim session) is asking the government to consult women on privacy and dignity that could be removed or impacted by proposed changes to the gender recognition act.

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/214118

The petition is merely asking for debate - doesn’t it come to something when women have to petition the government to have to ask to debate their safety?

Most gender critical feminists recognise trans human rights but we don’t want their identity and wishes to be placed above our safety.
I posted on MN recently about my experience of living in a domestic violence refuge as a child and now I was terrified of men, a male bodied person presenting as a female in that safe space would have terrified me and impacted my PTSD more than the other experiences already have.

If you haven’t signed it why not? Please reconsider, if only so both sides can be heard. Of course signing isn’t mandatory and I’m not angry but I would be interested in hearing more.

If you would like to sign it, you can find it here
petition.parliament.uk/petitions/214118 - your details are kept private. Please consider sharing.

@Noloudnoises
Because it's reactionary and hysterical. And yes, it is transphobic, as are all these horrible threads.

I think I might just keep reposting this until we get a better quality of discussion:

Calling people names makes your argument look weak. If you think self ID is the right solution then engage with the details of people's concerns and explain why.

Women don't need to be so bloody petrified of the bogey man/woman sneaking into the changing room to perv on you. It's just not going to happen.

Actually I see a lot of this. In fact it's probably the first reaction of most people. "It's not going to happen" they say. People just cannot imagine that men will use a legal loophole to harm women.

However, what you have to look at is current law.

It is currently illegal for men to rape women. Does that stop rape by men?

It's currently illegal for men to sexually assault women. Does that stop these sexual assaults by men?

It's currently illegal for men to physically assault women. Does that stop assaults on women?

Men who want to harm women will take advantage of self id. And it's not just your mother/sister/wife that they could be 'perving' on. It's your children too.

If you think that there should be respectful debate about this, please sign the petition.

Thank you.

If you think self ID is the right solution then engage with the details of people's concerns and explain why

Yes, please do. Discussion is all we are asking for.

The petition to Consult with women on proposals to enshrine 'gender identity' in law

I signed the petition after thinking about my health care for gynae procedures. If it was a male gynaecologist treating me, then there was a female nurse present as well. Although the consultant was professional and respectful, I appreciated the presence of another woman in the room. To be on my side really. The possibility if self-id within this area if women's care raised many questions for me, and debate is the only way to work out how this potential clash of rights could be worked out.

smile no, not under current law.

However, we are asking to be consulted before any new laws are passed.

Already signed. Have shared too.

I won't be signing and do not need to explain my decision.

I will add that these anti trans threads are the only reason I have had to hide the entire feminist boards which is a shame.

How is it transphobic to ask for a debate on a change in the law that has implications for half of the population. There is already Gender Recognition for Trans individuals. It is the self ID bit I object to. I don’t think a male bodied person who hasn’t transitioned should be able to insist on access to vulnerable female spaces just because they decide they want.

Signed and shared!

THEY'RE NOT ANTI TRANS

I will add that these anti trans threads

Can you point out some anti-trans comments please? I'm having trouble spotting them.

I'm still very much in favour of mixed gender spaces with cubicles where appropriate. I don't feel the need for some protected sanctuary in what is a functional place, i just need to get in and pee or change or whatever it may be.*

Fine, YOU may not, but other victims might. Should their needs not be considered?

But if self ID passed throughout then i am guessing I would.

At the moment your guess is as good as mine as women are not being consulted. However, if we get enough signatures we can discuss all these very important and relevant womens issues.

I will add that these anti trans threads are the only reason I have had to hide the entire feminist boards which is a shame.

It's not anti trans though. It really isn't. It's about discussion about self ID. Which is entirely different. It's a shame you can't see that

Well... all spaces will become mens smile. There will be no more women only spaces, schools, hospitals, prisons, sports teams, etc.

I didn’t sign because I’m pro self ID if you must know. The soul inhabiting the body knows who it is and who am I to tell another person who they are. What would give me the right to do that?

Such a shame that feminism on MN is dominated by gender nazis.

CrazyDuchess

You choose not to justify your decision for not signing as seemingly does everyone else who doesn't sign. That is obviously your right but what's the point of posting on here we have asked and asked why you won't sign and why you believe the concerns we have about self ID are transphobic and you are not explaining. As no-one will explain I have to assume you have no good reason. I honestly can't understand why no-one who believes its transphobic can explain why but so far on this thread no-one has in 8 pages.

You silly old trout...

Cross post with proudtrout but please could you explain how women will be kept safe from predatory men misusing the self-ID law to gain access to women's prisons?