e-cigarettes debate

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The Scottish Parliament Health & Sport committee is holding a public consultation on e-cigs so i have started a change.org.uk petition to open up this debate.

MNHQ has edited this post as petition links and such must be posted in our Petitions board, however for those who are interested it is easy to find from the information above

Wow Max you've surpassed yourself.

Hasn't he just! I particularly like the lobbyist accusations in the same post as him asking for donations to help him plug his petition.

Max, I spend a lot of time advocating for vaping because it's the only thing that has got me off lit tobacco in over three decades of trying. I don't want to be driven back to smoking, neither do I want this life saving opportunity to disappear for current smokers. Nobody pays me a penny.

I'm sorely tempted to help you 'promote' your cause. What stops me is I think it would be quite cruel. You so obviously don't know what you are talking about and that will be just as obvious to lots and lots of other people. You're retired, you're not exactly a threat or even relevant, given how little you know about what you are campaigning on.

So I'll join the others in the puppy crack den

Well, if nothing else, there's clearly a gap in the market for puppy-filled crack dens

DON'T SMOKE GLUE!

Vape it

Shush I'm trying to light the end of this pritt stick but it doesn't want to know

Puppy crack dens would be a bit like those cat cafes but a lot scuzzier, I imagine.

Tsk, Pubes, the trick to smoking glue is to smear it on your rizla, which is why it comes in handy pritt stick form, and which also removes the need to be able to skin up properly when off your tits

In the Mumsnet puppy crack den, all the puppies look like this. It's a cute crack den.

You're like some sort evil genius NiNo - either that or you're in the pay of Pritt and The Cute Crack Puppy Farm

Curses! Foiled again! You have seen through my devious ruse, Twunk, and revealed that I am indeed in the pay of the Canine Crack lobby! I get ALL the waggy tails and snuffly kisses, muha!

And then I glue all the puppies together to form one super-puppy. Cos, you know, high on crack.

Uhhmm ... MNHQ has edited this post as petition links and such must be posted in our Petitions board, however for those who are interested it is easy to find from the information above

We are on the petitions noticeboard

I could almost start to feel sorry for Max (almost)

NiNo if that drug puppy pic is not designed to entice the chiiildreeen then I don't know what is.

I did once end up trying to stick my rizlas together with pritt stick (long story and needs must at the time) It wasn't very nice

Whoa hold on back up there!

Just realised - if I'm in the pay of big tobacco where the hell is my money?!

I demand to know. I need to buy more puppies and crack.

It's a shame that Max didn't display his intellect on this thread isn't it.

PlentyOfPubeGardens
Yes I do realise that smoking is the issue that you all want to concentrate on but as you know by now, my concern is the avoidance of concern about the core drug in tobacco fags, nicotine. I do not trust multi-nationals like the tobacco industry who will use nicotine delivery more safely as a vehicle for eventually adulterating e-cigs when they want to expand their market. As for your concern about a minor Californian article on kids using e-cigs what do you make of what I have pasted below. Enjoying all your analytical efforts.

American Food & Drug Administration report.
The number of kids smoking cigarettes is down—but the number using other tobacco products is way up. That’s the word from the 2014 National Youth Tobacco Survey (NYTS), co-conducted by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA).
“This is the only nationally representative survey of middle and high school students that focuses exclusively on tobacco use,” says Benjamin J. Apelberg, Ph.D., branch chief of epidemiology at FDA’s Center for Tobacco Products.
Survey results provided a national snapshot of what tobacco products today’s middle and high school youth are using, as well as emerging trends over time.
The key findings include:
• In 2014, one in four high school students and one in 13 middle school students reported being tobacco users (using one or more tobacco products in the previous 30 days).
• Of the then-current 4.6 million youth tobacco users, 2.4 million reported using e-cigarettes.
• Between 2011 and 2014, the percentage of students reporting current use of cigarettes decreased from 15.8% to 9.2%.
• Between 2011 and 2014, hookah use among high school students doubled and e-cigarette use increased even more dramatically.
• In 2014, nearly 2.2 million students reported using two or more tobacco products.
Since the survey started collecting data on e-cigarettes in 2011, in 2014 their current use for the first time surpassed current use of every other tobacco product, including conventional cigarettes.
“One thing the study confirms for us is that the tobacco product landscape has changed dramatically,” Apelberg says. “Middle and high school kids are using novel products like e-cigarettes and hookahs in unprecedented numbers, and many are using more than one kind of tobacco product.”
It’s something of a good news/bad news picture, says FDA epidemiologist Catherine Corey. “While we’re glad to see cigarette smoking decreasing in middle and high school youth, the increase in the use of e-cigarettes and hookahs undermines progress in reducing tobacco use among kids,” she says.

Argh! For some reason I can't post the picture of a crack puppy. Must be a conspiracy

And Twunk - you're obviously just not doing it right

Oh Max, Pubes has already addressed that, twice. You've posted it three times now. Enjoying all your debating efforts, though.

what do you make of what I have pasted below.

Same as I made of it when you last posted it.

Bored now.

PlentyOfPubeGardens
Yes I do realise that smoking is the issue that you all want to concentrate on but as you know by now, my concern is the avoidance of concern about the core drug in tobacco fags, nicotine. I do not trust multi-nationals like the tobacco industry who will use nicotine delivery more safely as a vehicle for eventually adulterating e-cigs when they want to expand their market. As for your concern about a minor Californian article on kids using e-cigs what do you make of what I have pasted below. Enjoying all your analytical efforts.

American Food & Drug Administration report.
The number of kids smoking cigarettes is down—but the number using other tobacco products is way up. That’s the word from the 2014 National Youth Tobacco Survey (NYTS), co-conducted by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA).
“This is the only nationally representative survey of middle and high school students that focuses exclusively on tobacco use,” says Benjamin J. Apelberg, Ph.D., branch chief of epidemiology at FDA’s Center for Tobacco Products.
Survey results provided a national snapshot of what tobacco products today’s middle and high school youth are using, as well as emerging trends over time.
The key findings include:
• In 2014, one in four high school students and one in 13 middle school students reported being tobacco users (using one or more tobacco products in the previous 30 days).
• Of the then-current 4.6 million youth tobacco users, 2.4 million reported using e-cigarettes.
• Between 2011 and 2014, the percentage of students reporting current use of cigarettes decreased from 15.8% to 9.2%.
• Between 2011 and 2014, hookah use among high school students doubled and e-cigarette use increased even more dramatically.
• In 2014, nearly 2.2 million students reported using two or more tobacco products.
Since the survey started collecting data on e-cigarettes in 2011, in 2014 their current use for the first time surpassed current use of every other tobacco product, including conventional cigarettes.
“One thing the study confirms for us is that the tobacco product landscape has changed dramatically,” Apelberg says. “Middle and high school kids are using novel products like e-cigarettes and hookahs in unprecedented numbers, and many are using more than one kind of tobacco product.”
It’s something of a good news/bad news picture, says FDA epidemiologist Catherine Corey. “While we’re glad to see cigarette smoking decreasing in middle and high school youth, the increase in the use of e-cigarettes and hookahs undermines progress in reducing tobacco use among kids,” she says.

I do not trust multi-nationals like the tobacco industry who will use nicotine delivery more safely as a vehicle for eventually adulterating e-cigs when they want to expand their market.

Can you explain how this could possibly happen when manufacturers are going to have to comply with this notification regime from next May?

Max, you do know that when something is blue, you can click it, right?

Or shall we just all keep posting the same message over and over again?

my concern is the avoidance of concern about the core drug in tobacco fags, nicotine. I do not trust multi-nationals like the tobacco industry who will use nicotine delivery more safely as a vehicle for eventually adulterating e-cigs when they want to expand their market. As for your concern about a minor Californian article on kids using e-cigs what do you make of what I have pasted below. Enjoying all your analytical efforts.

Tobacco fags - again, not the same as ecigs, for so many reasons, explained so many times here
Big Tobacco is NOT the ecig industry, though it will be if you get your way. Again explained much earlier here.
California article well you introduced it to support your claims. You really can't dismiss it now we have pointed out you read it wrong!

And your FDA article has already been discussed, your misinterpretations outlined.

But you know that, Max.

A quick Google shows many, many articles, petitions, etc, where oh, so many people have told you the same things.

You are a serial monster shouter. Retirement obviously doesn't suit you.

It would be lovely if you could use all of that energy to do something more useful than hearing the sound of your own voice. You are failing the very people you claim to be so worried about. Have a rethink, please!

Tut tut, ladies, we're not being analytical enough. Nicotine is bad, mkay? Cos Max says so.

Well,

Max is just confirming the statement I originally made (after many others on he had already spotted it) that Max has his own agenda and will not be swayed by reasoned argument or the facts as we know them today, but at least his petition site points people to this discussion so they can see for themselves what he is up to ........and I see from the only comment on there at the moment that someone has already rumbled him !

Have a good day, all.

It's like banging your head against a brick wall this. Max, good luck with your petition - sorry you had no luck with this bunch of "men haters" (you should really consider more security when it comes to social media, speaking as someone who's pretty open with hers).

My discussion thread on Mumsnet, in the last wee is bowling along nicely, with over a hundred contributors. Mind you they sure don't like men, nor do they want to hear anything against using nicotine, Vaping or caffeine. They didn't even like my wee poem.

Hahaha! Oh dear, Max. What do you do when someone disagrees with you in real life?