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No such thing as "Common Law Wife" even when you have a family together!

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MollyMumOf4 · 18/12/2013 21:42

I am new to mums net... So I am testing the waters...

Having finally completed a long journey to resolve the situation I shockingly found myself in, a few years ago, I am resolved to start campaigning. I would, at least, like to raise awareness of the holes in the archaic laws that determine the welfare of our children, ourselves and what accountability there is for unwed parents who chose to withdraw their support and fight their responsibilities. The dream would be to see a change in the Law in England to be more in line with that of Scotland and France.

I want to know what interest this issue can generate to help us change the system so we are not so dependent on CSA, Legal Aid (now withdrawn for unmarried parents) and ultimately the state benefits who mop up the financial responsibilities of unforthcoming parents.

Do you know someone who has had children and receives little or no support from their former partner? Have they lost hope?

With 6.5million couples in the UK choosing cohabitation over marriage, I suspect there is a large percentage of those, like I was, who are totally unaware of the dangers they may face.

Today, more children are born out of wedlock than within marital status. For most people, it is either impossible or not worth the litigation to try to change the situation. I was very lucky but I had seen 5 disappointing lawyers before my friend convinced me to try the last. I feel the weight of the masses of parents (mostly mothers) who are unable to attain any support from their ex-partners, let alone enough to lift them off, at least some of, the benefits they need to sustain family life for their children.

The media gives single parents on benefits a bad wrap. I had children with a multimillionaire, whom I loved and totally trusted, so to find myself homeless and destitute with two children (2 and 6 months old) was unbelievable. I was so grateful that the benefit system finally helped us, after a difficult initial introduction to their systems. After a whirlwind we have finally resolved our case to meet the needs of the children only but I think that is more than most people in my situation get. I hear a number of single parents say things like, "its not worth it" and "I want to prove I can do it alone".

I now want to make a difference to even a few other people who are ignorant of their true position. with the help and advice of my solicitor I will be initiating an undertaking to highlight these issues in the media but it is a long, arduous and scary undertaking if the other stories and support are not out there for us to connect with.

If it needs it, I am prepared to follow the charismatic and inspired lines of Fathers for Justice, who did so much for shared access. I have my superhero costumes at the ready. Are there people out there ready to support this cause? or do I have to dress up and visit the capital to help make a point many have tried to make before me.

Molly

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DawnMumsnet · 08/01/2014 22:47

Hi all, we're going to move this thread to our Media Requests topic where it belongs.

Blu · 09/01/2014 12:47

Ah.

I wish I had known I was contributing to a jounalist thread.

Molly: I moderated my reply: your OP made you sound like a victim from a Victorian novel or a Restoration Comedy - not for the situation but for your overwrought language. And a bit thick.

I should have known better.

SanityClause · 09/01/2014 12:59

What TheGirlFromIpanema said.

In America, they have "dead beat dads", but in the UK, it's single mothers who are vilified.

edamsavestheday · 09/01/2014 14:02

V poor form for a hack to pretend they are a normal poster just raising an issue. And I say that as a hack.

The once or twice I've interviewed MNers, I've contacted them about a post on a thread that was running, not one I started, and I've identified myself as a journalist, explained what story I was doing, and for which outlet, and asked whether they wanted to talk to me about it.

Thisisaghostlyeuphemism · 09/01/2014 17:15

Don't quote me. Hmm

stargirl1701 · 09/01/2014 17:15

Don't quote me, either. Appalling. Angry

FetchezLaVache · 09/01/2014 20:03

Nor me. Underhand.

I hope your written English is somewhat better than the OP would suggest when you're not pretending to be a poor, downtrodden single mum unaware of her rights.

VworpVworp · 09/01/2014 22:12

C'mon folks- it was pretty obvious it wasn't genuine- though I expected trolling tbh. I did point out she had no idea how many children she actually had Hmm

No-one genuine would say 'multimillionaire', they'd say wealthy, nor would those children be unprovided for- the CSA exists to prevent that, so it was obvious they had no children. (Besides which- people named 'Molly' are not the right demographic to have had a LTR and children)

Biggest clue was the F4J stuff- only a wanker would think F4J were 'charismatic and inspired' Biscuit

MN should not have allowed this thread to stand with it's responses though. Angry

PortofinoRevisited · 09/01/2014 22:16

If this was media request or other by stealth - then it should be deleted surely? I don't want to be quoted in the Daily Fail or worse.

LineRunner · 09/01/2014 22:24

This thread should be deleted.

PortofinoRevisited · 09/01/2014 22:28

I posted early on - I have now reported.

DawnMumsnet · 10/01/2014 10:27

Morning all.

We're really sorry for any confusion caused but we made the wrong call when we moved this thread. It should be in Petitions and Online campaigns, where it will shortly be moved, as we have no reason to believe the OP is a journalist.

Huge apologies to the OP (who we've probably scared off now). And apologies too to everyone who contributed and felt they'd been misled.

We don't often get these things wrong, but will always put our hands up when we do.

Blu · 10/01/2014 14:11

Fair enough, MNHQ.

edamsavestheday · 11/01/2014 12:28

MN, don't you have contact details for the OP, to send an apologetic message?

MollyMumOf4 · 23/01/2014 18:21

Looking at a survey, questioning MPs, 70% of those questioned thought there was such thing as "Common Law Wife". You cant tell me "everyone knows there is no such thing as common law wife" until you do your own survey..

What ever your views on my situation, the fact is I DIDN'T KNOW.

If you ask 10 people what they know about this subject, I think you would be surprised at the answer. I would APPRECIATE you telling 10 people (especially young ladies) because I need to try and help even a few people). Its up to us to educate the young about the very things we take for granted! My mother made a mistake. I was not looking for anything more than our personal agreement. But the father couldn't bear to part with money for school shoes for his daughter without an argument, in what way does that money benefit me? He would have seen us live on housing benefit for the next 18years while he collected nearly 3 times that amount for renting out our family home. That would have been you all paying for our living expenses while he sends his children to private school.

When this happened to me it frightened some of my friends who were also unaware and unmarried. Some are even getting Married this year. But what if, like my other friend, you have 2 children, been together 10 years, shared assets start getting put into the mans name because of "convenience". Then you find out you are unprotected. You ask the man to get married and he refuses, saying "you only want to do that for legal and financial reasons". It makes you look stupid (in the first place) and a manipulative and money grabbing when you want to rectify the situation.. What would you advise her to do? I would love to pass on some pearls of wisdom please? I really mind those people who sit high and dry and suggest its her own fault for not knowing.

The reality is I am not religious and had children with a man I was in love with and thought we would be together forever. Prior to having children we sat down to have a hard conversation because I never wanted to have children with someone who might have any doubts they wanted children with me. In that conversation he said he would provide a home and income no matter what, if I had his children. I trusted him...

5 solicitors messed me around and eventually dismissed my case. I gave up and resigned myself to an unbalanced and unjust life on benefits. One day my friend sent round a friend of hers, he was the first lawyer to listen, talk to me in layman's terms and eventually help us. He is a decent person, honourable family man and dedicates his work to helping people in these difficult situations. He is campaigning with Resolution to see changes in the law to be like that of Scotland, France, New Zealand and other places.. Cohabitees should have rights too.

I am not hurt, I am not angry, I just want the best for my wonderful children and take my duties and responsibilities to all of them very seriously. Attitudes and education could do with any little extra weight behind them to try to stop the slide backwards as they seem to be. I am just going to do what a (not so perfect, and mostly average) single mum of 4 can. I am doing it for my children.

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MollyMumOf4 · 23/01/2014 18:56

Am I the OP? I'm new to this and haven't worked it all out yet. I'm guessing so, I'm not scared off, just really interested in what people have to say about this. Not a journalist, just a mum of 4.. I want to get some publicity, eventually, if possible, to raise awareness for other people but thought this would be a good way to dip my toe in.. Thank you everyone for all contributions and opinions, please keep them coming.. Anyway its scrabble night at my house tonight, wish me luck!

Molly ;-)

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MollyMumOf4 · 23/01/2014 19:01

Not a journalist!! Not a victim (I don't really like to call myself that, especially since we finally are getting a house to live in for the children until they are 21, yay!) just someone sharing their story to raise awareness.. :-)

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MollyMumOf4 · 23/01/2014 22:57

At scrabble night tonight my friend didn't have a lot of good things to say about mums net. I was surprised that she feels this domain is mostly for "mums who ask if there is something wrong with Henry if he doesn't eat his spinach canapé" It was shocking to hear it coming from my friends mouth.. I told her about all the people who had "stuck up for me" when I couldn't even find my own page.. Thank you for seeing my side to those who could sympathise or empathise. If I do ever break into the press, I can't tell you the importance your support means to me!! xxx

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MollyMumOf4 · 23/01/2014 23:12

how do I link this to facebook?

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MollyMumOf4 · 25/01/2014 22:26

I am sorry, I'm fumbling my way around but I am told its "not practice to message people directly". Sorry.. No need for any upset.. Molly xx

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MollyMumOf4 · 01/02/2014 22:30

Anyone out there struggling with similar issues to me? I will do what I can.. x

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MollyMumOf4 · 09/02/2014 21:56

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