Bolognaise not bolognese

[Bubblyaero]

It’s all ragù to me, but I’ve noticed people starting to put lentils in their “bolognaise”, and it troubles me more than the recent potato lasagne. When did it change? 🫤

One of my bugbears is tv chefs who babble on about being taught to cook by Nonna talking about brush-etta and raditch-io.

Bolognese is not an Americanism. In Italian, it means “from Bologna”, which was the grammatically correct term for spaghetti al ragù. Bolognaise is the grammatically incorrect term unless in France 😄

Yes, it’s likely that “lasagna” has crept in as an Americanism…

Also the differences between cannellini and cannelloni and the misspelling of soffritto. It can get a bit wankerish so I try not to mention it too much but it gets tricky when teaching the DCs… One day I will be that Nonna!

I blame Garfield for bringing 'Lasagna' to the UK 😉

cannellini and cannelloni - the words are similar. I hadn't really thought about it before.

@grumpygrape ,who is to blame for mac'n'cheese?

I’m not too bothered about Mac’n’cheese as long as it’s in an American themed eatery but I do not understand why a meal which is complete in itself is being passed off as a ‘side’.

Back in the dark ages (when I was a gal) Macaroni cheese and Cauliflower cheese were just no meat meals; we didn’t need them as sides to a full meat meal.

Sorry, OP, off thread (but they do wander….)

Back in the dark ages ...Macaroni cheese and Cauliflower cheese were just no meat meals; we didn’t need them as sides to a full meat meal.
Same here.
Meals seemed to be much smaller then and we didn't eat between meals.

Any TV chef in particular? Does his Nonna have wheels?

There are about three, but suspect the one you are thinking of does not have Italian heritage or restaurants.

Oh dear, we're straying further away from the original post but for me a 'snack' was 2 Rich Tea biscuits with my glass of milk when I got home from school.
I know this sounds a bit 'cardboard box, we didn't even have a hole in the ground ' ( if you know, you know) but I didn't encounter crisps until I was 14.

A snack was something like half a two finger Kitkat.

Bolognaise is a 3 syllable word while bolognese is a 4 syllable word. So you should spell it according to how you pronounce it

I have seen it a lot recently.

bolonayz?

Bolognaise should be pronounced bolonyayz (to rhyme with mayonnaise). Bolognese should be pronounced bolonyehseh

@Emptyandsad , I was following the instruction you should spell it according to how you pronounce it.

Fair point well made....

Sorry

That's interesting, never heard of polonaise topping before. I doubt it was that though because the rest of the menu was very standard.

Polonaise sauce - Wikipedia

Bolognaise should be pronounced bolonyayz (to rhyme with mayonnaise).
Mayonnaise is more like My-oh-nez.

(Not that I say it that often, but I'd say may-o-nayz.)

My favourite mispronunciation is gnot-she for gnocchi.

I remember someone talking to me about notchy. It wasn't until they said Italian I realised that they meant gnocchi.
It sounded like it might be Polish or something. njoczi?

Given that many of us (me included) don't get the pronunciation exactly right, does it matter that much as long as people can understand what each other means?

(As I claim to be a pedant, it probably should, but I find them quite amusing.)

Both words have an official English pronunciation and both rhyme, I imagine they are probably talking about that then what a French person saying one of them would sound like.

I once made gnocchi for an Italian girl (trying to impress her). I'd never even seen a gnoccho before, but saw a recipe and fancied giving it a go.

So I made them and served them up. She said how nice they were and then asked what they were. I said 'they're gnocchi' and she laughed and said 'no they're not!' The more I insisted they were, the harder she laughed