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Why don’t the editors stop this?

111 replies

ScaredOfFlying · 02/01/2026 12:25

I’ve lost count of the number of times I’ve heard “I” used in a TV voiceover when it should have been “me” e.g. “Time for Phil and I to make these househunters see sense”.

Now I see two glaring examples in the captions for Holly Ramsay’s wedding spread in British Vogue (attached).

I’m curious- these programmes and publications have editors and writers. Are they
(a) unaware that it is incorrect
(b) aware but think it’s more authentic to speak in the “voice” of the presenter/article subject?
(c) of the view that this usage is now so widespread that language has evolved and it’s now correct?

Why don’t the editors stop this?
Why don’t the editors stop this?
OP posts:
fishfingerbutty · 02/01/2026 12:31

I guess they’re quoting Holly directly.
Wealthy but poorly educated, it seems.

ScaredOfFlying · 02/01/2026 12:40

I sincerely doubt that Holly Ramsay wrote any of the 64 captions herself. I suppose they might have interviewed her and recorded what she said about the photos, but some writer/editor still took the decision to phrase it that way.

And what about the TV voiceovers, that are delivered from a script?

OP posts:
ICantBeDoingWithThat · 02/01/2026 12:46

Your first example is correct. It should be "Phil and I" if they are doing the action.

fishfingerbutty · 02/01/2026 12:49

ICantBeDoingWithThat · 02/01/2026 12:46

Your first example is correct. It should be "Phil and I" if they are doing the action.

OP is correct.
You wouldn’t say “ time for I to make these househunters see sense “.

ICantBeDoingWithThat · 02/01/2026 13:15

fishfingerbutty · 02/01/2026 12:49

OP is correct.
You wouldn’t say “ time for I to make these househunters see sense “.

No, but i wouldn't say "Phil and me" in that example either. It doesn't sound right.

Redflagsabounded · 02/01/2026 13:18

ICantBeDoingWithThat · 02/01/2026 13:15

No, but i wouldn't say "Phil and me" in that example either. It doesn't sound right.

It may not sound right to you, but it would be grammatically correct.

fishfingerbutty · 02/01/2026 13:19

Redflagsabounded · 02/01/2026 13:18

It may not sound right to you, but it would be grammatically correct.

It sounds fine. And correct.

surreygirly · 02/01/2026 13:21

Because they are young
Have not been taught correct English
Some of the sports commentators are pundits are moronic as well

CaptainMyCaptain · 02/01/2026 13:23

ICantBeDoingWithThat · 02/01/2026 12:46

Your first example is correct. It should be "Phil and I" if they are doing the action.

It's about the 'I' would stand alone e.g. I am going to ..., Phil and I are going to ..

but

It's time for Phil and me to .... but it's time for I to... sounds wrong most people would say It's time for me to ....

Tinkerbellflowers · 02/01/2026 13:26

ICantBeDoingWithThat · 02/01/2026 12:46

Your first example is correct. It should be "Phil and I" if they are doing the action.

You're wrong!

ICantBeDoingWithThat · 02/01/2026 13:32

Tinkerbellflowers · 02/01/2026 13:26

You're wrong!

I don't think I am.

Saltysnack · 02/01/2026 13:35

Drives me mad too OP

Half the Made in Chelsea cast (privately educated) are so clueless about, they've had to invent a new word - I's

Eg 'I don't want my cheating to ruin Ollie and I's relationship'

Fishfingerbutty - if there were no boys in the second of those wedding pics, you're saying it should be captioned 'I' ??

Saltysnack · 02/01/2026 13:37

My iPhone hasn't evolved to recognise I's as a word yet thank goodness Grin

It's almost like they could just say 'my'!

aniloD · 02/01/2026 13:39

Even worse is the increasing habit people have of saying 'myself when it should be either me or I.

mcmuffin22 · 02/01/2026 13:43

ICantBeDoingWithThat · 02/01/2026 13:32

I don't think I am.

You are wrong. Here's a good explanation: www.grammarly.com/blog/grammar/me-vs-i/

CatWithThreeLegs · 02/01/2026 13:58

I was taught at school to look at a sentence without the other person in it to see if it still made sense. It's a handy tool to remind yourself if you're not sure whether to use me or I. So, for example "Holly and I got married yesterday." Take away Holly and it is "I got married yesterday."
"Phil and I need to talk to the house buyers," so "I need to talk ..."

"Time for Phil and me to talk to the house buyers." Take away Phil and the sentence still makes sense if you use "me", but not if you use "I."

BrassyLocks · 02/01/2026 13:59

ICantBeDoingWithThat · 02/01/2026 12:46

Your first example is correct. It should be "Phil and I" if they are doing the action.

This would be the case if the sentence was:
"Phil and I are going to .."
But the preposition 'for' changes it, as 'It' becomes the subject of the sentence:
"It is time for Phil and me to..."

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 02/01/2026 14:02

Can we have an honourable mention for the good old recurring 'myself'? I keep hearing it and it's driving me mad!

AgentPidge · 02/01/2026 14:10

To answer the OP's question, I think it's all three in different circs. They don't know what's correct, they are quoting someone who doesn't know what's correct, or they have given up imposing what they know is correct and are just going along with how everyone else says things.

I don't listen to sports commentary much but when I do I find myself wincing. Alex Scott, for example. Also people seem to say things like "There is loads of reasons why..." instead of There are. Drives me nuts! It's not difficult to learn. And please, less and fewer. No one says fewer any more! It's always less people, etc.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 02/01/2026 14:26

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 02/01/2026 14:02

Can we have an honourable mention for the good old recurring 'myself'? I keep hearing it and it's driving me mad!

It's so prevalent on The Traitors that one of the regulars on this year's thread has changed her username to IVotedForYourself, I noticed. Xmas Grin

I am 64 and I confidently expect that by the time I am dead dictionaries will be recording that all the incorrect usages documented above are now considered acceptable in Standard English. Sad times, but language evolves.

I have long been of the view that people avoid saying 'Phil and me' when it's correct because they don't understand grammar. They hear people saying this is grammatically incorrect:

Phil and me are going to the shops.

They generalise from this that it's always wrong to say 'Phil and me' and always correct to say 'Phil and I'. This is because they fail to grasp why it's wrong in the example given, which is not very surprising because English is mostly not an inflected language. We use word order to indicate who's doing what to whom for the most part. However, we have a few odd survivals from the time when English did have different forms of words to indicate subject, object etc, e.g. I, me, they, them, he, him, she, her, we, us. These are not well understood now.

EuclidianGeometryFan · 02/01/2026 15:04

ICantBeDoingWithThat · 02/01/2026 13:32

I don't think I am.

What is the reason for your confidence that you are correct? What is it based on? What is your line of thinking on this matter?

newrubylane · 02/01/2026 15:14

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 02/01/2026 14:02

Can we have an honourable mention for the good old recurring 'myself'? I keep hearing it and it's driving me mad!

The constant incorrect use of 'myself' sets my teeth on edge. The apprentices seem to be particularly prone to it.

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 02/01/2026 15:18

newrubylane · 02/01/2026 15:14

The constant incorrect use of 'myself' sets my teeth on edge. The apprentices seem to be particularly prone to it.

It does signpost me towards people who are pretending to be more educated than they really are though, so there's that.

fishfingerbutty · 02/01/2026 15:29

Saltysnack · 02/01/2026 13:35

Drives me mad too OP

Half the Made in Chelsea cast (privately educated) are so clueless about, they've had to invent a new word - I's

Eg 'I don't want my cheating to ruin Ollie and I's relationship'

Fishfingerbutty - if there were no boys in the second of those wedding pics, you're saying it should be captioned 'I' ??

No, I’m saying that Holly might be being quoted.
She is wrong herself.

ICantBeDoingWithThat · 02/01/2026 15:37

EuclidianGeometryFan · 02/01/2026 15:04

What is the reason for your confidence that you are correct? What is it based on? What is your line of thinking on this matter?

Knowing when to use me and I can be confusing, so here is a quick guide: Use me when you’re talking about an action done to, toward, for, with, or without you. And use I whenever you’re the one doing the action.

It's a while ago now, but this is what I was taught at school.

"Phil and I" in the OP's example just sounds better to me than "Phil and me". Another poster added a link to Grammarly, and the above paragraph is from there.