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Why don’t the editors stop this?

111 replies

ScaredOfFlying · 02/01/2026 12:25

I’ve lost count of the number of times I’ve heard “I” used in a TV voiceover when it should have been “me” e.g. “Time for Phil and I to make these househunters see sense”.

Now I see two glaring examples in the captions for Holly Ramsay’s wedding spread in British Vogue (attached).

I’m curious- these programmes and publications have editors and writers. Are they
(a) unaware that it is incorrect
(b) aware but think it’s more authentic to speak in the “voice” of the presenter/article subject?
(c) of the view that this usage is now so widespread that language has evolved and it’s now correct?

Why don’t the editors stop this?
Why don’t the editors stop this?
OP posts:
PendantScorner · 05/01/2026 12:18

It’s the same reason people don’t pronounce the T in Moët. (Also incorrect, also annoying!!)
It's not. People don't say the T in Moët, because they are used to people (including Freddie Mercury) having said it as Mo-ay.
The reason you say the T in Moët is because the name is not of French origin.

HelenaWilson · 05/01/2026 14:53

*People don't say the T in Moët, because they are used to people (including Freddie Mercury) having said it as Mo-ay.

Yes, I should think many people who were around in the 70s would have heard it first in the song. And I'd have thought Freddie would have known the correct pronunciation.

PendantScorner · 05/01/2026 14:55

She's a killer queen
Gunpowder, gelatine
Dynamite with a laser beam...

auserna · 02/04/2026 20:49

ICantBeDoingWithThat · 02/01/2026 13:32

I don't think I am.

Well half a dozen people think you are. Including I. 😏

ICantBeDoingWithThat · 03/04/2026 08:10

auserna · 02/04/2026 20:49

Well half a dozen people think you are. Including I. 😏

You're very late to this party, aren't you. ☺️
I think i stood well corrected 3 months ago. 🙄

sesquipedalian · 03/04/2026 14:09

@ PrizedPickledPopcorn -
You would have been told to avoid “I” in general writing - an account of something where every other sentence begins with “I” is simply poor style. But I am amazed and know not what to say about the comments on page one of this thread, most particularly as this is Pedants’ Corner!

AyeKarumba · 03/04/2026 16:53

Redflagsabounded · 02/01/2026 13:18

It may not sound right to you, but it would be grammatically correct.

Exactly

AyeKarumba · 03/04/2026 16:55

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 05/01/2026 12:06

HRTFT so please forgive me if this repeats earlier comments, but a pp’s observation about (wrongly) avoiding ‘I’ to seem less self-centred does ring true. It’s even more obvious in the ‘myself’, ‘yourself’ plague that you hear so often.

Customer call handlers, for example, seem incapable of saying ‘me’ or ‘you’. I think that’s because it’s a more direct and personal-sounding form of speech.

When you find the order number call myself back”; or “we have no record of payment by yourself”; that sort of thing.

It’s bloody irritating.

Grrrr the myself/yourself crap really bugs me 😖

onlyoneoftheregimentinstep · 03/04/2026 16:57

ICantBeDoingWithThat · 02/01/2026 13:15

No, but i wouldn't say "Phil and me" in that example either. It doesn't sound right.

It is right though.

PleasantPedant · 03/04/2026 18:41

HelenaWilson · 04/01/2026 19:42

As a teacher myself, I have to agree. There are so many teachers (old and new) with very poor understanding of written English

I think most of the people who are old enough to have learned proper English at primary school are now past retirement age.

I'm not past retirement age.

Kirstie Allsopp "attended ... Bedales .... After spending time in India teaching English, ..." (Wikipedia).

Daffodillz · 03/04/2026 19:01

OP, I know this thread is old but I had to comment when I saw it pop up again!

I think you are correct. Because neither "Phil" nor "I" are the subjects in the sentence.

The subject is "it"... [It is] "[t]ime for Phil and I..."

Therefore "Phil" and "I" are the objects...

Who said a degree in languages was useless? 😂

Edited to say I just realised someone already pointed this out 😂😂

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