Please stop writing "gotten"

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That's it really.

'I would have got milk' isn't incorrect in modern English English though, any more than 'would have gotten' is in other forms of English - the argument works both ways, just because you don't use it doesn't mean it's wrong.

Oh yeah I know, I wouldn't correct anyone on here using "would have got" - but that's why I find people correcting "would have gotten" so infuriating.

Yeah, I think in your usage "gotten" is the past participle to be used in the perfect tenses (past perfect "I have gotten", conditional perfect "I would have gotten" etc ) as with for example "I have spoken", and "got" is the preterit tense, e.g. "I got the milk"

I'll trust you on that.

Oh yes indeed, and how...

How do you feel about "orientated" vs. "oriented"?

I live in the west of Ireland and nobody says gotten here. I do say filum instead of film though 😊

I do freely admit to being a language nerd 😁although tbf most of my in depth grammatical knowledge is more based on the romance languages than on English

American English has happily absorbed a huge amount of vocabulary and phrases from other languages, most notably Yiddish.
"Enough already..."
"...like I need a hole in the head"

"Come sit by me" (from German "bei")

Also:
Spiel, spritz, kaput, doppelganger, gesundheit, rucksack, angst, wunderkind, kindergarten - some German and some Yiddish.

I once shared accommodation with two Scottish people and I say, "Och, it was a lovely wee filum."

Spiel, spritz, kaput, doppelganger, gesundheit, rucksack, angst, wunderkind, kindergarten - some German and some Yiddish.

English English freely uses most of those apart from gesundheit. The etymology of rucksack is indeed from the German but I think it's more commonly used in the U.K. by walkers than 'backpack', which I recently saw on another thread being castigated as an 'Americanism' (I blame Dora the Explorer for that)

No. I’m American and it’s perfectly acceptable usage.

@ErrolTheDragon
American walkers would use rucksack instead of backpack because a backpack is what you'd carry your books to school in (sometimes called a book bag, too). A backpack would be a good deal smaller than a rucksack with fewer compartments, straps, frames, etc. Rucksacks are hard core. A knapsack is another beast again, more of a hiking backpack used for short hikes/ day trips (more of a Canadian term than American). They can all be used interchangeably. Knapsack is also German/ Dutch.

In American English it means smutty.

This argument only works if you're claiming that 'much ado' and 'look upon' are common usage in 21st century Britain. And good luck with using 'sometimes' instead of 'previously' 🙄

It's still sort of linked, though, isn't it? Something that you wouldn't do/discuss if you were on your best behaviour!

I've occasionally used ado in general speech. Granted, these probably aren't overly common in normal modern everyday speech, but they'd still be used in a literary/poetic sense.

Just because a word or phrase falls out of common wide usage, that doesn't make it de facto 'incorrect'. Moreover, there are a lot of niche technical and scientific words that are probably never uttered by 99% of people, but that doesn't make them any more 'wrong' language than 'the', 'from' or 'and'.

Phrases such as 'the situation has got out of control' are normal in either standard U.K. or American English USA aren't they?

No, it's "gotten" in this context in the US and elsewhere. I'm Irish, and I see your sentence as grammatically incorrect.

In professing the value of ancient tongue these times, thou dost make a fair argument, which none may reasonably dispute. Our dispute concerns not poetry, though, but the tongue employed by everyman in his daily discourse.

Wouldst thou not find it strange if folk did speak to thee thus? I'll wager thou wouldst! Tis not, then, a matter of rightness (though such would stand debate) but, precisely, a question of whether age itself doth qualify a word for use in the tongue of modernity.

Surely it qualifies if the word never actually died out @Garlicnorth ?😁

This argument only works if you're claiming that 'much ado' and 'look upon' are common usage in 21st century Britain. And good luck with using 'sometimes' instead of 'previously'

'Much ado' does come up pretty often, as other well-known Shakespearean phrases do which perhaps you wouldn't count, but I'd look upon 'without further ado' as fairly commonplace.

Why, it's fine. Maybe get out more.

Plenty of people do use thee and thou (maybe abbreviated to 'tha') in everyday speech, though - especially in the north of England; and ye is very commonly used in Scotland.

For millions of Christians throughout the English-speaking world, hymns are sung, prayers are said and the King James Bible are read on a daily basis - individually and corporate - so many of these words are second nature to them.

Yes, they're words that originated a long time ago, but so are many that we wouldn't necessarily think of for a moment as 'old'.

OP, I fear you’re fighting a losing battle. I feel equally irritated when I read “mom” rather than “mum” from posters who appear to be resident in the UK.

Just when the thread had gotten quiet