Please stop writing "gotten"

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That's it really.

I'm in Northumberland, and I've used it all my life, so well before my exposure to so many 'Americanisms.' We've held on to to it, as opposed to taken it up.

You hold on tight Greenfinger555

'Sat' instead of 'sitting' is very annoying and should be punishable by community service!

Are there any other words in the dictionary that you personally don't like and want to stop people from using?!

I'm going to make a plea for "poorly", "naughty", and "needs doing, washing etc". They can all get in the bin.

Fair point!

Actually, naughty is also a very old word and one that has hugely diluted its widely-understood meaning in the modern day.

Centuries ago, it used to mean concupiscent - truly sinful; now it means having a cream cake even though you left half of your salad.

I hate it applied to children.

I'm going to make a plea for "poorly", "naughty", and "needs doing, washing etc". They can all get in the bin.

'Proper poorly' (ideally 'poorly' pronounced with three syllables) is a phrase my DM would sometimes use. She was a teacher who spoke and certainly wrote grammatical English, but also a northerner with an appreciation of regionalisms.

I'm assuming that the (unreasonable) objection here is only to the use of the word to mean 'ill', it is of course widely used in phrases such as 'this phenomenon is poorly understood'.

I was being facetious.

If English posters can moan about gotten, haitch and ye/youse, then Irish posters can moan about poorly, naughty and cupboard.

I haven't yet gotten tired of reading this thread and sniggering to myself at the ridiculousness of it all 😁

Yes - I agree.
And not the drugstore or the doctor's office.

I know. I don’t correct people. They could have learning difficulties for all we know.

I can't stand gotten!! I read reports as part of my job and medical professionals are writing it 🙄 no idea where it came from.

The doctor office! sigh

doctors*

I live in Glasgow and never hear it.

It's absolutely ok to use gotten in Scottish.

Gotten
Santa
Halloween (we go guising not trick or treating though)

All things that are Scottish that get mistaken for being American English!

Its just struck me that although I've lived in the US for a few years a while ago, and have worked with a mostly US-based team for decades, I've not really come across 'gotten' being used all that much in writing.

In fact, I think the main place I see written it is in threads like this on MN.

If I start using the word it's going to be down to the whingers thrusting it into the forefront of my mind roughly once a week.

Oh while we're here can people stop saying brought when they mean bought.?

It really irks me

The idea that 'gotten' comes primarily from Netflix and increased American media is just silly. There are a lot of posters, including myself, who have pointed out that we're not American and grew up with it, long before Netflix was a thing.
People getting judgy about it does seem to be recent however.

@DalzielOrNoDalzielAndDontPascoe

Oh yes, there will be plenty

don't come to Lancashire then

What would you say instead of "you've gotten big", or "it's gotten out of control"? You got big and it got out of control are different tenses to what I have written.

What distinct tenses are they? Serious question, darned if I know.

For the first tbh I'd avoid any form of the bland 'to get' anyway - something like "you've grown big" would be preferable. For the second, while I've no objection at all to 'gotten', I don't see how it's significantly different to 'got'? Phrases such as 'the situation has got out of control' are normal in either standard U.K. or American English USA aren't they?

I'm useless on formal grammar, but:

I went to the shop, I got milk.

I would have gone to the shop, I would have gotten milk.

We (Ireland) would never say "would have got milk", that would be incorrect here. We'd also never say "I gotten milk" - got and gotten are different tenses of the same verb.

When writing formally, there's often a better choice than any tense of "get", but that applies equally to got and gotten.