Please stop writing "gotten"

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That's it really.

I am Scottish and have lived in Scotland all my 60+ years and it is not used by me or any of my family/ friends .

Nope, it's acceptable in Hiberno-English!

And while we're at it, it's haitch not aitch!

Lots of Scottish people on this thread saying they use it. There always are in the billion threads there have been about this word over the years.

This.
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@MudpiesinEssex All of us? It isn’t standard across all of Scotland (can’t speak for Ireland). I was born and brought up in a Scottish city, with relatives from and in varying parts of Scotland. Some used vernacular, some spoke fairly standard Scottish, as I do.

Here?

Here?

Muphry's Law prevails.

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Sorry OP. I like gotten and find it useful.
It’s widely used where I live (Ireland) as it never died out here.

Shakespeare used it.

Yes, it's perfectly fine. Stop frothing.

Using obligated rather than obliged is more annoying imo.

"I was sat" with the past participle instead of the present participle was entirely standard in the north-west where I grew up. To such an extent that I didn't even realise it wasn't everywhere until I went to Oxford and had someone repeatedly "correct" me (and laugh at my Lancashire accent), despite being somewhat of a grammar nerd. I then started using more grammatical regionalisms, on principle. I may have to write in "standard English", but I won't stop speaking in my own accent.
By chance, my translation tutor grew up in the same area, and later defended my usage as regionalisms are important to linguistic variety (although sadly not in front of the repeat "correcter"). She did recommend using the present participle should it ever come up in an exam, because she hadn't yet succeeded in persuading the majority of the faculty that the English of other regions was equally valid, providing it's mutually comprehensible.

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Can't agree with that. Definitely aitch!!!

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I grew up using 'gotten' in South Africa. It seems that it's a word that has fallen out of usage in large parts of the UK, but has continued elsewhere.
I also use Mom and not Mum.
When I first moved to the UK and joined Mumsnet, I started avoiding gotten or Mom because of the disdain I saw on here. That was over fifteen years ago now and I no longer care.
I don't think it's about pedantry or accuracy. It's just snobbish.
There is such wide variation in regional language and I absolute love that. It's fascinating, especially when you can map something like 'gotten' to patterns of settlement throughout the world.

They don’t say “gotten” in Australia, thankfully.

I will not!

Didn't we just do a whole thread on this? Wasn't the "should of gotten" OP Australian, or am I thinking of a different thread?

The dialect defence always gets trotted out, but is it really plausible that the numbers of posters using 'gotten' are all from these regions? Some, yes, but it's more likely an infection of Americanisms ripping through the English language, like 'anyways', which also seems to be on the rise.

The only infection I'm seeing is the multitude of threads criticising others' language ripping through MN in the past month or two. It's always been there but it's been particularly bad lately. The American posters must feel particularly insulted, it's bad enough being Irish on here.

It's correct in Hiberno-English. Broaden your horizons; read a book.

Haitch is the standard form in Ireland @AlleyRose. What’s considered correct varies with location and there are posters from all over on MN.

An ‘infection’ is a particularly nasty description @PheasantPluckers. Just horrible.

It's not snobbish at all. The objection is based on the spread of American English at great speed throughout British English which has really interesting dialects and turns of phrase. It isn't about class or criticising others personally, it's about not liking seeing the language and the culture flooded knowing the source is mostly industrial popular culture.

I'm English and say it, I'm always happy to be corrected when I'm saying something wrong, I'm human, found the thread the other day about practice and practise really interesting.

But for people who call themselves "pedants" I can't see anyone here has given any substantial evidence as to why I'm wrong to use it, all I see are petulant, snobby statements. So I won't stop yet!