Just so exhausted with the lack of language skills here

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Honestly, does anyone else just give up reading posts because the command of language is so poor?
Not talking about people who have English as a second language, because you can read through that.
I feel like such a moaner, but it really does make me feel so sad that people cannot truly communicate in their own language.

@Lifeinlists as I'm well over 45 I would say most probably not. I would surmise that the hospital secretary was over 45 too.

To me is is used predominantly in American English not in British English.

Thanks for this. I thought it was an annoying Americanism (is that a word?) so it’s good to find out otherwise.

An Englishman's way of speaking absolutely classifies him. The moment he talks he makes some other Englishman despise him. One common language I'm afraid we'll never get, Oh, why can't the English learn to set a good example to people whose English is painful to your ears?

"Around the 1600s, the standard form shifted to got – though gotten does appear in some British English dialects".

English is spoken in places other than England and the US. Gotten never fell out of use in Ireland and Scotland, it's a very boring, normal word.

As is always (correctly) pointed out on these threads when English people get the vapours about "gotten"- it's the original word (see above post about its etymology) which didn't evolve (a word to make those suffering from Dunning-Kruger shudder) in America into the modern "got"

So really, those who claim English has gawn to the dogs should be gotten-ing all over the place and framing their letters from the NHS.

Why would an Americanism be annoying to a pedant? I can't think of many words in common American usage that weren't originally used over here. We've changed them. They haven't.

Maybe, but I'm not in Scotland, Ireland or England.

I luv it tbh hun

Ohhh, I saw ‘gotten’ on the BBC and was going to rush here and ask. I have my answer!

I'm afraid some people live a very insular (perhaps more accurately sub-insular?) existence I'm afraid, @ColleenDonaghy .

Yes, definitely American English which is rapidly becoming standard. Ditto spellings. So much for two countries divided by a common language!

it really isn't. At all. My DC aged 14 and 18 have had a fab eduction - state incidentally. Stop being so dramatic

Ok but maybe the medical secretary is, or they spent time living there, or their parents are Irish/Scottish/American/probably other options too.

There is no single one correct form of English.

Getting worked up over "gotten" just shows you don't know much about the language.

Y'know, I would of gotten annoyed at this thread before but I just think that language is always evolving and theirs always gonna be changes to the way people speek and right.

I save my ire for the BBC and other such websites, although there are days when I have to close posts before my irritation gets the better of me.

The Scots and Irish leave you close to tears. There even are places where English completely disappears. In America, they haven't used it for years.

Now you are being silly.

No, it's the other way round.

Gotten was English. It went to America. It stayed there. English gotten evolved into got.

Language change isn't retrograde. And rarely, if ever, changed from a short form to a longer one.

I lost the plot the other day when I received an email from a hotel asking me to ‘bare with us’. I replied that I would rather keep my clothes on. I know it was pedantic but I’d seen it one too many times.

Silly about what?

What she's said is correct.

@ColleenDonaghy I think you and I have been on many of these threads over the years. Always a pleasure

Lovely to see you, guessing I know who you are under previous names. Howdy!

How do you feel about people using random, and incorrect syntax? Word order of sentences for example?

Sorry @ASighMadeOfStone , forgot the , very rude of me when you brought the !

😂😂😂 I don’t think it’s a joke! Which is why I’m finding it so funny.

And in some areas/families of Wales welsh is the first language and English their second language

I can only presume your second language must be perfect in order for you to sneer at someone who might well be writing in their second language