This is a great thread {grin}. I put ds in his brothers old training pants on Monday just to see what would happen, he asked to go for a poo when we were naked on the beach (sorry, he was naked), and did one in a rock pool after several visits, has done several wee's in the toilet when I've put him on, and several in the pants, but doesn't say he needs to go, reading this thread , maybe I should continue ?? Also, do most of you just go straight to grown up pants ?