would you say something if you saw a baby without a hat in this weather in the park?

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not sure if it was the baby's mother maybe it was a nanny but the baby was crawling in the park without clothes on and NO hat it was probably 30 degrees today in London, I was so cross I left. Should I have said something? I know it's none of my business but...

Absolutely not .
My three would never keep hats on and I tried all sorts of designs

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Better late than never....

Don't know what the bertini ones are like to be honest mojo.

These are fab though - and I think they look much better than the photo shows too!

I wouldn't have said anything to the mother personally, it is her fault and she has to live with herself if anything 'bad' happened to her child.

My 20 wk old ds goes out with a hat with the back bit to cover his neck and ears, factor 50 sun block(so it states on the bottle)on his arms, legs and face. He has a sun canopy on his push chair. I make sure he is wearing a vest or t-shirt, shorts and socks (so his feet don't get burnt). I find shade to walk in if I can and never sit in the sun, always under a tree or in shade somewhere.

Luckily ds hasn't worked out how to get his hat off but is on the verge of crawling so I'm going to have to keep a sharp eye on him so that he doesn't crawl out of the shade.

Bloss - I agree with you. I become Hitler in the sun and insist on hats. It's non-negotiable for me, and they do give up. (But I did buy tie-on ones when they were younger.)

PLEASE don't yell at me if you see me out today with no hats, Ds's broke / threw theirs out all last week and nowhere in my village to buy any more, can't get into Newport.

But I know it's terrible, and feel awful. [sad}

Bloss you are right about you can make them coz ds2 and 3 will if I insist, however ds1 has Aspergers and nothing will make him (which is why he has thrown his hat away and destroyed the others... see previous message). Do remember that kid you see without a hat MIGHT just have an sn that makes everything somewhat harder.

My boy will not keep a hat on, however we put sunblock on him which is not always visible.
And we put sunscream on before leaving the house.
So no doubt some people tsk tsk at us and all.

Also have one of those shade a babe things now too.

Related subject;
What really annoys me is the cost of the products you have to buy to keep the sun off.

Ooh yes - totally overpriced MM. Co-op does them cheap though - part of some kind of only take part of the profit to encourage healthy skincare type scheme.

And Lidl does this wonderful blue stuff, very cheap, factor 30 which although has a horrible texture is brilliant because being blue, you can see where you've missed a bit!

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I went to have a pedicure this morning with my stepdaughter and there was a woman in their with her daughter (? - assumed so) who was about four. The woman was having something very elaborate done to her toenails involving painting pictures. It was literally taking hours. The little girl was sitting on a chair in complete silence. She had no toys and no books and the woman never spoke a word to her except to bark at her to stay on the chair. She was even forbidden to twirl the chair round. The child was absolutely writhing in frustration. She got down a couple of times just for a change of position and the woman physically grabbed her and threw her back on the chair. Another time she slapped her arm. I felt absolutely in knots with distress and tension. I really, really wanted to go over and give the bitch a slap myself, frankly. I was exchanging 'looks' with the nice woman who was doing my toenails, who then (bless her) offered to do the little girls nails for her just to get her mother off her back. I just found it so horrible and upsetting and couldn't wait to get out of there.

Aloha

Why do they do that? If they can afford a pedicure, they can afford a magazine and some colouring pencils!

Aloha, could you or stepdaughter have offered to help - maybe taken the little one for a walk or entertained her. I find these posts come across as sitting in judgement as no-one seems to give people the benefit of the doubt of having some 'not being a good mum' time or being in the sisterhood of helping each other rather than seeing the other mother as a bad parent.
We've just come back from a spanish holiday in a largely spanish populated resort. My dd was having her hair braided by the African women who set up shop at these resorts. One of them had a toddler who wandered amongst the customers. It was just accepted by the mainly Spanish clientele that we would all have a little play with the toddler. This collective parenting is so nourishing to mums and I wish we could see more of it in this country.

Mog, I noticed even coming from England to Wales- the attitude to parenting is so much better here- your toddler cried in Bridgwater, you got asked to leave the shop; your toddler cried here, you get given tissues. In England, I was forever told that my three boys were ' hard work... what a burden' with a disapproving sneer; here it's 'Hard work; what a joy!'.

It's so much NICER!

Back to the suntan thing - I'm sure I read recently that a leading dr thought it good for kids to have 20 mins sunshine before putting on lotion, something to do with skin reaction to hear (sorry can't remember all the detail)

Not sure I would comment though -

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Is that the vitamin D theory? I did wonder how they were supposed to metabolise that, under all those layers in the shade and with the lotion on.

I have to admit that I'm very, very lazy about sun cream. I only ever put it on ds if I know we're going to be outside in direct sunshine for more than 10-15 mins. However, I do have a shade-a-babe on his pushchair and I'm much fairer than him (he's mixed race, I'm celtic) so I always try to stay in the shade, which means he does too.

TBH- My DS very rarly wears a hat I can only keep one on him in the swimming pool, when he wears a f2 piece protective suit and hat. But when we are out walking and he is in his pushchair he will not keep a hat on and i don't use a parasol or sunshade (have both) as he just pulls at them ans sticks his head out. I do cover him (including his head hair) in high factor suncream though..
here at the moment we are in the mid 40s during the day, to be honest I can see why he won't wear a hat as even the slightest thing makes us sweat...

Can't believe you selfish women even think about taking your children out on sunny days. Imagine the guilt if they develop skin cancer or deep tissue cancer from the carcenogins in sunscreens. On sunny days I always make sure the whole family stays inside all day. I just couldn't live with myself otherwise.

When I see people out with children on sunny days it just makes my blood boil. If we do have to go out and it is sunny I make sure the children are safely locked in the cellar before we go.

Really some of you should be ashamed of yourselves.

Going back to the title of the thread.

today I saw someone with a little tiny baby with no hat on and I was just about to volunteer one of my kids hats (spare one) when she produced one from a bag and popped it on his head. Thing is, if it had been me, caught out with my new baby and a bit disorganised, then realising I didn't have a hat/suncream, I'd be really grateful if someone offered me some of theirs. And I've been there too when ds2 was tiny. So yes, I would say something, but I'd try not to sound like 'oh my god what are you doing'

Somenody offereed us a hat when ds2 was small and had just ditched his over the peir. I was a bit taken aback in that she was in a wheelchair and elderly with no kids so obviously kept a bag of hats for that purpose, but mainly grateful.