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WinomoreTheFruitbat · 02/08/2009 09:31

Is it feeding time yet?

pull up a rock or patch of grass and get comfy in our new enclosure!

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BuddhaBelly · 23/08/2011 12:02

Turkleton How is Oz? Did the girls cope with the flight and move OK?
I am very Envy

PickledMoomin · 24/08/2011 19:12

Me too. You all look so happy there :)

Turkelton · 01/11/2011 22:29

Hello, always forget to pop back on here Blush

The flight to be honest was a nightmare lol. The first one (Dub - Abu Dhabi ) was grand, 7hrs and they slept for most of it.

The second leg of it though....... Abu Dhabi - Sydney........ Well put it this way, there will be no visits home until the girls are at least 5years old!

Well worth it though, we are loving it here, its a great country, so laid back and friendly Grin The girls are even taking swimming lessons!

Hope all is well with yourselves.

Buddhabelly Is it your little man who got grommets in? Hope he is doing well now

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CaptainNemo · 29/11/2011 10:31

Blimey! Hello animals!! I had no idea you were still popping in here from time to time! How is everyone? I wonder if any of you will see this post/how long it'll take before it's spotted.... It will be a shame if noone sees it cos I have some CRACKING gossip that I know you'll all enjoy...!! Wink love Nemo x

BuddhaBelly · 02/12/2011 07:07

Is it what I think?? Come on spill Grin

Turkelton · 04/12/2011 23:29

Yes spill please Smile

CaptainNemo · 08/12/2011 08:42

Ooh that serves me right for not checking whether my post had been spotted for a few days! Hello Budda (That you K?) and TurkDownUnder! How are things?

So. Is it what you think it is? It might be! Xmas Wink Xmas Grin But I'm afraid I need a bigger audience if I'm going to do a full reveal.... Xmas Wink Mwa ha ha ha ha ha ha!

How is everyone else?

Mummylimited · 08/12/2011 21:59

OMG - you are here, how lovely. I may have to start coming on. This is Teeheelaydee btw.
Sorry to confuse you but using my blog name as part of the MN bloggers network.

C'mon Nemo (that is KF right?) spill the beans. Is it good news?

We are all fine. I am dying of tiredness with 2. N is a strong willed handful at 2.5 and E is already 6mo, but a total easy sweetheart, yet I'm still knackered!

Love seeing all your FB updates, but would be nice to chat here again

SeldomSeenCake · 08/12/2011 22:23

Hi ladies!!

Tis Ei BTW!!

I haven't posted on here for aaaaggggeess!!

Nowt new here! As usual Hmm Sian's growin like a weed and I have been diagnosed with full Lupus and getting that under control nowSmile alls well in the house of EiSmile

I'm intrigued to know what this news is... Come on SPILL...

CaptainNemo · 08/12/2011 23:16

Oh my goodness, it's so GREAT to see everyone back here again! Well, not quite everyone, but ykwim...

So. The big news. Or hopefully will be quite big in a few months time, currently mainly cake... Am 13 weeks pregnant! And, frankly, so far it's been pretty shit, but I'm hoping that waving goodbye to the first trimester will be the start of calmer times.... Basically, I was spotting before I even did a test. That carried on until about 10 weeks. Then had the nuchal a week ago today only to wake up to bright red bleeding last Friday, so off back to the hospital again, was there 2 days running Blush. They couldn't find any reason for the bleeding or where it had come from, which they seem to think is a good thing... We finally got the nuchal blood results yesterday which was a very big deal for me as that was what first pointed to the problems with Thomas, but according to the consultant the results are "fantastic" so am slowly allowing myself to believe this might end up with a baby, though am finding it all v stressful... Plus been feeling v v sick since 5.5 weeks, def worse than any of the others, and it's not showing any sign of stopping. Urgh.

Me me me me me me! Sorry!! Have really missed having you ladies to turn to over the last few months, but having been AWOL for so long it didnt seem fair to just pop up and demand attention when I wanted something! As usual, mn was great in a crisis, I started a thread about the bleeding last fri - here if you want to see it: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/pregnancy/1355371-Bleeding-Nuchal-yesterday-now-bright-red-blood I got some really lovely responses, but it wasn't the same as chatting to you guys. Same with the ante natal thread, v nice ladies but pregnancy after mc and just straight pg are just SOOOO different, I feel like I'm in another place most of the time...,

Anyway, that's quite enough rambling on about ME and MY life!
Ei I'm sorry to hear about the lupus. I don't really know anything about it, though I have a friend who has it. Are they managing to keep it controlled via your meds? Saw your Christmas tree pix the other day, v nice!

TeeHee I can't image what life with 2 must be like. Exhausting is the first word that comes to mind...!

Got to go to bed. T has a cold (which she's kindly sharing...) so sleep at something of a premium at the moment'

Love to all xx

BuddhaBellyXmasBaubles · 09/12/2011 13:42

Woo Hoo the Zoo is open! Excuse the christmas themed name but I still post on another thread so we're getting in the festive spirit Xmas Smile

CaptainNemo Congratulations (again) so very pleased that you are expanding your little family. Little Miss T is looking very scrummy on FB! Sounds as if you've been going throw a mega stressful time, wouldn't it be lovely to have a stress free no worries/complications 9 months Xmas Hmm not sure that exists for most people Xmas Sad but at least you have some brilliant nuchal results to reassure you and fingers crossed the bleeding will settle as you go into the second trimester. Really hope you will keep posting regularly it would be lovely to support one another again. Oh and yes it's K
Mummylimited More pictures on FB please! Can't believe that E is 6 months Xmas Shock where has that time gone??? How is the sleeping going?
What does N think of his baby brother?
PickledMoomin Get your arse on here and post my sweet
Turkleton How's life down under?
SeldomSeenCake Does this diagnosis of lupus explain your history of recurrent m/c because doesn't it cause early mc? Like Nemo I don't know much about it, is it curable or you learn to live with it? Can they do anything to help with another dc?

Buddha news: Not much most of you will know from FB that E had a grommets op in October, best thing we did after 10 months of horrendous ear infections, he is definately a better little buglet for it and sleep is much much muchly improved Xmas Grin So now we feel ready to expand our family too, this is now our 2nd month of ttc, poor PickledMoomin has been having to put up with my texts about it all so it would be good to share the burden here too Xmas Wink

CaptainNemo · 09/12/2011 18:19

Evening animals Smile. So has anyone got any suggestions as to what I can get for dinner that won't make me want to vom? If we're going to start hanging out again you'll need to make yourselves useful! Xmas Wink

Buddha I'd be honoured to join you on your TTC journey! Will be just like old times! I was convinced I wasn't ovulating and was seriously about to order OPK's - shows how much I knew huh?!?!

Currently at hairdressers having my horrendous roots seen to, having left my
Mum and DH to see to T's dinner, bath, bed. Bliss!!! Xmas Grin

CaptainNemo · 09/12/2011 18:23

PS has anyone been in touch with Mibbes to let her know the zoo is open for business? Am guessing Wino will have heard through Buddha/Penguin?

I was killing time before collecting DD earlier so came on to check the thread. For some reason it loaded the whole thread rather than pages and I had a lovely half hour reminiscing through all the summer & autumn '09 posts, can't believe that's over 2 years ago... This must be the longest running thread EVER!!

SeldomSeenCake · 10/12/2011 11:08

OOOOOOOOOOOO! nemo such brilliant news!! Xmas Grin massive congrats!! I say eat whatever you fancy even if it seems disgusting!! I ate tomatoes like they were apples when preg with Sian Smile
bhudda TTC again eh?! Brilliant!! It will be an honour to support you to your BFP!!
My lupus basically means that I have less that 25% chance of carrying a baby to term but with the help of the RMC team I should be able to give it a bloody good tryGrin not that we are actively TTC anymore but if we did get preg again... It's lovely to see so many of us here again!

gomurray · 10/12/2011 14:54

Hey ladies - mibbes here. nemo fab news - I often think of you and the struggles you had TTC.
It is actually perfect timing to be invited back to the thread (K invited me via FB - sorry struggling to remember/work out who is who with new names). Sadly I had 20 week scan yesterday only to discover that there is no heartbeat Sad. I have been given a drug to prepare my womb for tomorrow - going in to hospital to have more drugs to kick off labour then I have to deliver the baby. TBH I was hoping it would be a simple op but there was no real choice offered. I am terrified and need your advice/support. Nemo I feel bad for dragging up bad memories for you, but did you have to go through similar ? I cannot remember the exact stage that you lost Thomas, I guess it was later than this so maybe a different situation ?... Any advice would be much appreciated - as I had a section I am terrified of the labour part and really afraid of actual delivery.
So sorry to darken the thread with such sad news but like I said the timing has been perfect for me as I could really do with some friendly 'faces' who may understand.
xx

CaptainNemo · 10/12/2011 15:11

Mibbes I'm so so sorry to read your news, it must have been the most awful shock. I don't mind talking about my experience at all, whatever you think you might find helpful is fine by me. How would you rather chat? Can do on here, fb, text or phone. I think I still have a number for you from when E was born, it ends 229 - is that still the same one? I'm sorry I can't post properly now, my sister has just come down for tea as it's my mums 65th on monday, but I'm free later, we're not doing anything tonight. I'll come back on as soon as I can. Thinking of you lovely, and of your DP xxx

BuddhaBellyXmasBaubles · 10/12/2011 15:44

I can only reiterate what I said before of how incredibly sorry I am to hear your sad news. Sad nemo will be able to give you some really good advice I'm sure. On my other thread one of our ladies went through similar and she was told to take whatever they give you tomorrow which helped her. Be strong and we're here whenever you need us. (k)

gomurray · 10/12/2011 16:01

thanks ladies, appreciate your kind words. I hadn't realised how much I've missed you all - although I do keep track on FB.

nemo either on here, text or FB msg are all fine - not really up for chatting at the moment (have ignored several calls from well-wishing friends today Blush). Any tips/advice would be much appreciated. I just don't know what to expect. I was given a folder full of SANDS info which is not specifically aimed at my situation (it just saddened me further thinking about people who lose children even later on). I have read a few MMC threads on here but to be honest the vast majority relate to finding out at 12 weeks and baby is only 5-6 weeks so not really the same thing I'll be going through tomorrow. Baby measured 16 weeks yesterday but heard HB at 16 +1 so must have been soon after that. Anyway, will be around later as long as things don't kick off by then - apparently the drug I was given could potentially start the process off and I have had some brown spotting this afternoon. Just text/FB whatever you find easier and I look forward to hearing what you have to say.
mibbes xx

SeldomSeenCake · 10/12/2011 17:02

Oh mibbes SadSadSad so so sorry to hear of your awful news SadSad a friend went through similar at about 18 weeks and said she took all meds offered by the docs and she found it helped her to cope xx I'm not sure on the practical side of things but I would imagine that maybe taking a special blanket and a camera incase you feel up to taking photos would be something to take with you. We are here and I will be around incase you feel up to talking/need a shoulder xxx loads of love and cuddles xxx

gomurray · 10/12/2011 18:05

Hi Seldom your FB updates always make me smile, good to hear from you.

We have had a heart to heart this afternoon and decided that neither of us is comfortable with seeing the baby - we were told he/she may have abnormalities and we just don't want to put ourselves through any more than we have to. We have taken a photo of the 3 of us to be kept with the baby so that he/she 'knows' who we are. Neither of us very touchy feely or religious so we are more at home with this approach. No idea if any of this makes sense but we are both as happy as we can possibly be with the decision so hopefully it is the right one for us.
Poor DP was telling me off for reading threads on the internet last night then he started to do the same this afternoon and was in bits Sad, so hard to see your string DP so, so sad. Anyway, just trying to stay strong for what will doubtless be the worst day/s of our lives, but when it is all over we can try to start looking forward to Xmas with E.
The worst of it is that E was so excited about becoming a big brother and is so sad today - I guess he will bounce back quickly but it is heartbreaking to see such a young person so sad Sad.

CaptainNemo · 10/12/2011 19:09

Ah Mibbes. There are no words. I'm sure you're right that E will bounce back quickly, but I imagine that will be hard for you too Sad.

So I don't know whether or not you would find it helpful for me to set out how it was for us. I'll do so now, but please don't feel you have to read it.

I think in many ways the main differences between your situation and ours are firstly that it wasn't such a shock for us. We'd been told from the outset that there may be problems as even really really early on my hcg didn't rise as it should. Then there was the spotting (brown and red), but at every scan (had a few due to the spotting and the previous mmc) they said everything was fine and LO was measuring right for dates.

Then we had the nuchal, and the scan and the measurement were fine too. But as soon as we got the blood results it all kicked off. The consultant phoned me personally to discuss the results; I should have known as soon as I picked up the phone that it was bad news - they don't call to let you know everything's fine. The bloods were so abnormal (levels so low) that they thought the sample must have been contaminated, but I knew it wasn't going to be as simple as that. So they re-scanned and repeated the bloods. I think the consultant expected the baby to have died before the re-scan; he said he'd only seen bloods anywhere close to mine before and the baby had died by the time he re-scanned. The second bloods were (of course) as bad as the first.

We then had to decide whether to have an cvs or wait for an amnio. As the amnio had a lower risk of mc we decided to wait. During the intervening weeks the consultant saw us for weekly scans, at his insistence. I think it was probably because each week he expected the baby to have died, but each week there he was, growing away. The consultant was by that stage unhapppy with the general 'look' of the scans. He said it wasn't so much anything specific but he is very experienced and just knows instinctively what a healthy baby looks like. Plus he was unhappy about the amount of amniotic fluid (not enough). Each week he would say "I'm increasingly pessimistic" and I'd say "you said that last week" and he'd say "well I'm even more pessimistic now that I was last week". It was awful, but at least the end result wasn't a shock.

I had the amnio at about 15.5/16 weeks. We got the results pretty quickly and they confirmed the doctors suspicions that the baby had a chromosome disorder called triploidy where instead of 2 copies of every chromosome the baby has 3. The amnio results also told us the sex. If you imagine that babies with down's syndrome have an extra copy of one chromosome you can imagine how devastating it would be to have an extra copy of every chromosome. To use medical speak, they call it "incompatible with life". There have been babies born aloive with triploidy, although that's very rare, but I'm not aware of any ever having been able to leave the hospital. So although it was a devastating position in which to find ourselves, in some ways we didn't find the decision to terminate the pregnancy difficult. Once we knew that the only life he could possible have was one filled with pain and hospitals the decision was made for us.

We waited a little while before going ahead, I just wasn't ready, mentally. I knew what I had to do, but I wasn't quite ready to do it.

Eventually, when I was 17.5 weeks, I went to be induced. As is happening with you, I went in on the Friday to take the tablet which I was told had the effect of "switching off" the pregnancy hormones. It seemed impossible that such an inoccuous looking little white tablet could do something so powerful.

Then we went back on the sunday morning for the induction. We had been told to expect to be there for the long haul so I took over night things, a change of clothes, lots of knickers, shower stuff etc. From memory I'm pretty sure the hospital provided all the maternity pads etc but I supposed you might need to take some Sad. The best things we took were a huge selection of the sunday papers and my laptop. I bought speakers for it specially and we took about a thousand hours worth of dvds including several box sets. I had a terrible fear of sitting and staring at the walls. I also took any cards we'd been sent by friends who knew what was happening.

The DVDs were invaluable from the outset. I had a nice private ensuite room, which was something. They kept us waiting for ages when we first got there - cue DVDs and paper skimming. When they finally saw me at about 12-1pm they gave me a pessary to start things off. They warned me that things probably wouldn't sttart happening until about 6pm and I wasn't likely to deliver the baby until about 1am. They said they would keep gooing with the pessaries until things kicked off fully. In fact, it all started much more quickly than they expected. Very soon I was getting period type pains and I had what I know know (but didn't then) was a show. The mw's were lovely and came and looked at my pad with me, and generally looked after me. I think that's why they do indictions on sundays, because the wards are generally quieter. Pretty soon I was asking for pain relief. I think my situation was reasonably unusual, partly becuause things happened so quickly, but I have tio admit I was in quite a lot of pain quite quickly. The reason I'm telling you that is firstly so you're not surprised if it's that way with you, and secondly because we should have been a lot more pro-active than we were in asking for pain relief. I had co-codamol, fairly quickly followed by some oral morphine and then a morphine injection in my bottom, which quite honestly may as well have been saline for all the good it did. By that stage the contractions were lasting about 45 seconds and were every minute and a half and I won't lie to you, it wasn't pleasant. BUT there is NO reason for you to experience that level of pain. DH didn't want to trouble the doctors by telling them what a state I was in (we were pretty much left alone to get on with it) - which is partly why we had a doula when DD was born, becuase I didn't trust DH to listen to me and not fob me off.

Eventually DH called the nurses and once they saw what a state I was in things moved pretty quickly. They got me gas & air from the labour ward and a morphine pump which I could administer myself as needed. It was the BEST thing ever, and there is no reason for you to get to the stage I did without having something similar. But please remember a lot of women don't experience that level of pain, and if you do there are drugs they can give you to knock it on the head.
It was very bearable pretty immediately after the morphine pump arrived. At most I think the pain only lasted about 2-3 hours. I suddenly had a contraction which felt different from the rest and my waters broke, and the pain stopped.
Later I realised that at that point DS pad passed through my cervix and into the top of my vagina, but I didn't realise at the time, all I knew was that the pain stopped. Pretty quickly I was sat up drinking tea and eating sandwiches. At about 6pm I really needed to go for a wee. DH helped me into the bathroom, it was a bit of a performance as I was hooked up to the morphine pump and a saline drip. I'd been told to place a kidney dish over the loo in case I passed anything while I was on the loo. I went for a wee then felt something that felt like a big clot, but that still seemed to be attached to me. I called DH to get a nurse but he came and looked and said it was the baby, he was out, but the cord was still in. A lovely nurse came to help me. She cut the cord and helped me back into the bed. Then, irritatingly after all that, the placenta wouldn't come away properly so there was lots of faffing while they messed around and tried to get it out. Eventually they gave up and told me I'd have to have an erpc. When we eventually got to the theatre and spoke to the anaesthatist at about 11.30pm I asked him whether it was ok that I'd had tea and sandwiches at about 5.30.... he said no it wasn't and I'd have to wait til morning, apparently they should never have let me have it in the first place AngrySad. So back to the room and more dvds. They kindly made up a bed for DH as well and we did actually get some sleep. I went for a wee again at about 6am and passed the rest of the placenta, so I didn't end up having to have an erpc.
The worst thing was that they made me go for a scan in the morning to check there was no "retained product". They had to do it vaginally which was pretty uncomfortable, but the worst thing was seeing the empty space where we had seen DS so many times during the various scans.
When he was born they said he was measuring about 16 weeks, so it may be that he died at a very similar stage to your little one Sad. Because they're only tiny at that stage (he was about 6-8 inches long) your cervix doesn't need to dilate as fully as for birth at term, which may be why it happened quickly. It was painful, but it was NOTHING LIKE when DD was born, so please don't panic about the pain.
I decided I didn't want to see him. They're not cooked at that stage, they're not made to be seen at that point, and I was worried that if I did see him the image would haunt me during any subsequent pregnancies. DH was undecided before he was born, but afterwards he decided to see him, which was the right decision for us. It helped me that he was able to describe what he looked like without me having to see him. I'm sure the nurses would do something similar for you if you wanted them to. We didn't take any photos. What we do have, and which some of the girls on here have seen, was get ptints of his hands and foot prints. I'm so glad to have them. They are tiny and totally perfect.
We took a blanket which had been mine when I was a baby to wrap him in.

We left the hospital at about 10am on monday morning. Physically I was ok. I bled for a while and passed a few clots but I wasn't in any pain.

The next chapter was the funeral, but I think this is already the longest post anyone has EVER written on mn, so I'll leave that for another time if you want to hear about it. It may be that the fact that my dad and my DH are both funeral directors made a difference, but the funeral was definitely a very healthy and positive experience, although desperately desperately sad. It was just me, DH and the vicar who married us. Afterwards DH went for a posh lunch and toasted our little boy with slightly too much champagne. In many ways, weirdly, it was a good day.

I wish there was some way I could ease your pain. I doubt there will be, but if there is ANYTHING at all I can do please just holler. I'll keep my phone close for the rest of the evening and tomorrow in case you post/text. Sending you lots and lots of love xxx

gomurray · 10/12/2011 19:52

Nemo thank you so so much, you have been open and honest which is exactly what I wanted. I do not want any nasty surprises, I'd rather be fully informed. It sounds as if a lot of the 'worst' parts of your story are avoidable (pain relief etc..) so all being well it will not be as traumatic for me.
Were you given a tablet to prevent your milk coming in ? I have read a lot of women at the same stage got this.
I love the idea of taking a blanket to wrap the baby in and I am so glad to hear someone else who didn't feel they wanted to see the baby - it feels like every thread I read people seem to spend hours with baby so I was feeling really bad about not wishing to see him/her. You have really helped me, thank you so very very much.
I will be in touch to let you know how it goes. xx

SeldomSeenCake · 10/12/2011 19:56

It still staggers me how many strong, amazing, sensitive people there are on MN and nemo you are certainly one of the best x what a lovely thing you did sharing your awful experience with mibbes Sad

BuddhaBellyXmasBaubles · 10/12/2011 20:46

I'm sure that anyone reading about your awful experience will shed a tear nemo every minute is obviously a painful memory but the fact that it will bring reassurance and insight to mibbes I hope comforts you a little Sad
mibbes just go with your instincts if you don't want to see him/her then don't you'll make the right choices when the time comes I'm sure. Sending out thoughts to you and dp and hugs for E who will undoubtedly be a huge influence on your healing journey.

CaptainNemo · 10/12/2011 21:07

Seldom what a lovely thing to say, thank you so much.

Mibbes I wasn't given the tablet, but a friend of mine who experienced something similar at 23 weeks was. I raised it with the consultant but he said it wouldn't be necessary at the stage I was at, and he was right, my milk didn't come in. Having said that, you're a bit further on than I was and I wonder if the fact that you've had a child and breast fed already will make a difference... I'd definitely raise it with them when you first speak to the doctor, you don't need the trauma of that on top of everything else.

I've never regretted the decisioin not to see Thomas and I never really felt any differently (before he was born). I'm not sure DH would have decided to see him if it wasn't for the job he does (and I've just asked him, neither is he).

Having said that talk of any funeral is for later, you might have to think about what you want to happen with your LO once you leave the hospital. I was very keen to have a postmortem or similar, I think in fact they used the chord to get samples rather than taking them from DS. I felt that the one thing he could still do was help any future brothers or sisters he might have by letting us know if there was anything we needed to know about for the future. He was taken to the mortuary on monday morning and stayed there for a few days until he was picked up. Because of our unusual circumstances it was actually DH who picked him up. It was very much a family affair, my dad made the little white coffin and DH wrapped him up and put him in it. We also gave him a little tiny teddy to keep him company, which I thought would go with him, but in the end I kept it. It lived on my bedside table for ages until DD adopted it and now it's in her rooom.... somewhere....

I felt really guilty about not going to sit with him when he was in his coffin, I wouldn't have had to see him because the lid could have been on. But I just couldn't do it. DH was brilliant, said there was no problem and Thomas wasn't by himself anyway becuase DH and the other men he works with were in and out all the time anyway. Tough times. I suppose I still feel guilty that I didn't want to go and sit with him when I could have done, but as DH said, I'd done absolutely everything I could for him while he was with me.

I think I said earlier we have his hand and footprints, that's not right, we only have his footprints, I don't know why I said that sorry.

All couples handle it very differently, DH had a couple at work fairly recently who had a still born baby and they spent hours and hours with her in the chapel, brought clothes and visitors to meet her etc. That wouldn't have worked for me, but I hope it helped them.

Sending you so much love xx

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