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The Motherhood Delusion

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SantaLucia · 07/08/2008 17:37

A thread to safely house all the thoughts that you are ashamed to admit. Example:

Why did we have children?

When does it all become worth it?

The day my child was born was NOT the best day of my life (it was my wedding) and I absolutely remember the pain and the boredom of being in hospital.

I can't be bothered reading about child development.

The health visitor is not worth a trip in the rain with a sleeping baby.

Thank goodness I'm over that "newborn" stage. Roll on year 5!

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favourthebrave · 11/08/2008 15:13

I see what fatbag is saying.

There's a huge amount of stuff putting down mothering all the time. People think they're being rebellious by saying 'God, it's so boring' 'God, I don't care whether you put your blasted shoes on either' but they aren't. Everyone says this all the time, books are full of chaotic stressed unhappy mother's being a bit snide about the school gate. You can hardly move for columnists with dried baby porridge in their hair. They sort of celebrate how crap they are, how unpushy, how bored - as a way of marking out their individuality, and it does go on a bit. I have sat in parent and toddler sessions for YEARS talking like this. It seems commonplace to me, but that's no bad thing.

I don't even know what PND is really. Everyone seems to have it. Is it just that parenting is more bloody hard work than you've ever had to do before, and you have to think about someone other than yourself all the time, and we're all woefully unprepared for it. I felt like that. I felt like I'd been removed and replaced by a zombie. But I don't know if that is PND or just becoming a mom?

It feels like it hit our generation like a steam train. But it probably didn't, women have probably all been saying it for ages if we'd bothered to listen.

SheSellsSeashellsByTheSeashore · 11/08/2008 15:23

oh that sort of boredom? yes i get that i thought they meant the 'but they dont do anhything' boredom!

though i dont usually have to solve barbies murder everyday, there usually is some sort of drama centered around dd1 going on. or if dh is in its centered around dd2's eating and her lack of manners

but the wash/iron/tidy/dress/cook/washup/entertain/tell off/punish/praise pattern is boring but hetic at the same time.

raggety · 11/08/2008 15:31

It would be nice to be (to have the work) appreciated more, both by your children and family and by society. But that's a whole other (post-post-post...-feminism) discussion thread.

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about these subjects:

raggety · 11/08/2008 15:33

There's always 'Mother's Day', I suppose.

raggety · 11/08/2008 15:34

Or is it 'Mothers' Day'? Doh.

pippylongstockings · 11/08/2008 15:36

It is the best thing I have ever done and the worst thing I have ever done.

Yes a day off would be good - even a lie in but any time one is planned then both the kids have a sixth sense and do nothing but fight so I can't sleep anyway!

The bits I really hate are the unequal spread of the bloody boring chores - but think that's a whole other thread.

Don't get me started on the time he wastes smoking - not to mention the time he get's to himself because he smokes! Clearly I am jealous and I should take up smoking too......

pushchair · 11/08/2008 15:39

Who needs Diagnosis Murder or Murder She Wrote when we have the daily show. Episode 11356-Barbie Decapitation. Hey you can be someone from CSI, size 8, tight low rise slacks, perfect makeup etc. Take Barbie parts into low lit kitchen for forensic testing....Other thing sounds more of a Masterchef show and the judge-DD2, is coolly appraising the subtle blend of flavours with a roll around the tongue and the floor..... I think I may be away on one.

honeydew · 11/08/2008 15:41

I had 3 children very close together ( 3 in 3 years and 2 months).

It has been so very hard and I freely admit that I may have decided against having children if I'd known what was involved. My parents encouraged me to have an education and become a professional,independent woman. They didn't teach me about motherhood or how to run a home. As an eighties girl, it was emancipation and career all the way which I pursued. I always thought I would have children though and being an only child, I wanted to have more than one if I could, as my experience was a lonely one. But as no-one prepared me for the practicalities of childrearing it hit me like car crash. I don't think I've ever come to terms with being a sucessful teacher one minute to being at home alone with a baby the next.Maybe part of me never will.

I'm extremely lucky in that my children are all healthy and very loving. But I cannot afford to go back to work due to very high childcare costs and the fact that my husband earns three times my wage in IT in the city compared to my middle management teacher's wage.

So we are having to manage on one salary in London as my DH can't get a similar wage elsewhere and I'm trapped as a housewife now. I have never been so exhausted and fed up in all my life if I'm honest. Of course, I adore my kids but I wish I could work even if just part-time and that my DH would support me more in the household chores.
I really feel married to my house and totally chained to the kitchen sink. Going out with 3 kids under 4 on my own is a total nightmare but if I stay in they make mess faster than I can tidy up! During the week, it's an endless round of pre-schools, boring play groups, the park or the playground.

The endless stream of cooking, washing, continuous tidying, dealing with poo, dressing/undressing them, etc etc... I find utterly overwhelming. The emotional drain they place me is never ending and somedays I'm at my wits end.

I didn't have postnatal despression- more a kind of shift in my entire personality trying to cope with all their needs. ( DD4, DS3 and DD 16 months).I have gone from being a professional, smartly dressed, confident, attractive size 8 31 year old to an exhausted, badly dressed frumpy, baggy eyed, saggy boobed, size 14 36 year old trout. ( I know a size 14 is average but it looks big on my frame) I had two sections ( one emergency- the other planned due to complications) and my body is a wreck.I just 6 years I have been transformed into Mrs Mop.

To top it all, I have a severely torn abdomen and an umbilical hernia which needs surgery. I get a free tummy tuck thrown in but next year I face a major operation that I really don't want. I can't even look in the mirror at my body- the bulging which makes me look 5 months pregnant and flabby bingo arms. Who is this woman?!!! I feel so ugly it's untrue.I'm still wearing maternity clothes because of this condition and my youngest is now 16 months!

I'm just a 1950\s housewife now {without the style . My DH hardly helps me at all with the housework. He works long hours and wasn't brought up to keep house. I have no time to pursue my hobby or ambitions. I have MA in creative writing and would love to write but finding the time is out of the question.I scream at my kids like a hussy and have the patience of a knat. My marriage never gets any attention, my DH and I have never been away even for a weekend on our own for 5 years. We have very little family support and although I have lots of friends- they all have young children! So they bring them round to my house to create even more mess!

I've not had one night's sleep in 5 years either.

Motherhood is just about being a servant to your children and partner. If I had the money to employ a cleaner/nanny, a supportive family network and could work -part time , I'm sure it would be far easier to cope.

It was my choice to have children and I have taken full responsibility for that as a SAHM.I try to be the best that I can to them and love them dearly but the price I've paid is just too much. I've sacrificed my career, my financial independence, my freedom, my hobbies and become a drudge.

I want to be a good role model and work but I know I can't until my youngest is in school in 4 years time. If I had my time again, I'd have had just one child and gone back to work full-time. I feel very let down by feminism and society. The lack of affordable, quality childcare is a real issue for me.

I look back with sadness that all my daydreams and hopes for my own development have gone. Sound selfish but I feel my life has been entirely subsumed by the needs of others.

I totally resent the way everything revolves around the mother and not a father's role as well. The fact that my husband can have a career and children drives me insane.

I've had 5 yeas of groundhog day ( cooking, cleaning ,tidying etc) and have at least another 5 to look forward to before I can even begin claw some of life back.

It's not being a mother in itself I don't like because I adore my kids. It's the responsibility on a daily basis with no one to help, the sheer physical hard grind slaving for no pay, lack of personal time and total exhaustion. I feel it's just too much for one person and I find it really hard to cope alone with the isolation and entrapment within the home that this' job' brings.

People say to me that I'm giving them such a good start and how lovely my kids are and that is some comfort to me. Having a larger family does have rewards but sometimes it's hard to see. My neighbour has one child and they go out, can easily get baby-sitters, they get 'me time', she works from home and they have soooo much more disposable income.

Having 3 kids is often fun when they are all playing happily together and they'll grow up as a group which is great for them. I hope I change my view of motherhood as they get older as right now I'm stuck in a rut. I feel that feminism sold me lie about having both a career and children. Doing both for me has not been possible and I had to make a very difficult choice. Sorry for he long message- getting my feelings off my chest.

SheSellsSeashellsByTheSeashore · 11/08/2008 15:45

lol pippi tis the other way around in my house. dh hates my smoking and refuse to quit because the only time i get to myself is the time i spend locked in the yard on my deckchair with my coffee and my cigarette. id go insane without those snatched minutes. and even then i have dd1 trying to unlock the backdoor and yelling that i have forgotten to turn over the tv/get her drink/unpeel her banana/give dd2 her bottle

barbie is now safely hid god knows where with her head looking slightly chewed but safely back on her neck!! dd1 is more than likely causing mayhem at the cinema but im not there so i dont care and dd2 is napping! its times like this i love motherhood ahhh...listen to that silence.

pushchair · 11/08/2008 16:04

Dear Honeydew, Oh lord those are all the things I have felt too. Similar position re income etc. Know where you are coming from and hope it feels better to get it off your chest. Can only say that time does pass and inevitably things will change. This year I have finally booked myself into a night class and am hoping to get an evening/weekend job for money and company. These little things somehow didnt seem possible last year or the 8 years before.

pushchair · 11/08/2008 16:04

Dear Honeydew, Oh lord those are all the things I have felt too. Similar position re income etc. Know where you are coming from and hope it feels better to get it off your chest. Can only say that time does pass and inevitably things will change. This year I have finally booked myself into a night class and am hoping to get an evening/weekend job for money and company. These little things somehow didnt seem possible last year or the 8 years before.

pushchair · 11/08/2008 16:04

Dear Honeydew, Oh lord those are all the things I have felt too. Similar position re income etc. Know where you are coming from and hope it feels better to get it off your chest. Can only say that time does pass and inevitably things will change. This year I have finally booked myself into a night class and am hoping to get an evening/weekend job for money and company. These little things somehow didnt seem possible last year or the 8 years before.

pushchair · 11/08/2008 16:06

Gee I love computers!

PuppyMonkey · 11/08/2008 16:21

My best days over the past 11 years have all been days when someone else was looking after my dds.

motherinferior · 11/08/2008 16:22

There may be a 'huge amount of stuff putting down motherhood all the time' but underlying it you're always supposed to grin sheepishly and say 'of course, I wouldn't be without them for the world'. And to feel secretly and smugly sorry for people who have Forgone This Opportunity.

roseability · 11/08/2008 16:33

Favourthebrave

Are you suggesting that PND is just mothers struggling to deal with the selflessness of motherhood?

I'm sure it is a medical and recognisable illness but maybe I am wrong

Tortington · 11/08/2008 16:34

haven't you seen the adverts?

got PND?
take two asprin

you will be right - its like a mild headache.

SixSpotBurnet · 11/08/2008 16:46

honeydew, that sounds very tough

this thread is good for me, as I spent all day yesterday weeping about not being a SAHM

VickyPea · 11/08/2008 17:21

Thank you Santalucia, for this thread. Yesterday my dc were fighting (aged 6 and 2) and as I pulled them apart I really wanted to let go and hurt one of them for being such a total PITA. But I didn't. Then all day long I felt crap for being so bad tempered, for snapping at the constant "can i have, can I have" and the wingeing that I get when he (the 6 year old) doesn't get his own way. Eventually, losing my temper with the 2 year old for not wanting to eat his peas and sweetcorn, I ran upstairs and flung myself on the bed, started sobbing and for the first time ever, scratching my arms and pulling my hair until I felt so much better. Later that night I told my dh how I feel and both of us its time to up the Prozac again but I still felt the the world's most crap and bad tempered mum. But reading this, I know I am not, I'm just someone with two young kids, a full time job and a house full of dishes,ironing and the aforementioned Lego everywhere. God I love them but its bloody hard work !

VickyPea · 11/08/2008 17:23

Oops, missed the H out of whingeing and the agreed on the Prozac line ! Silly fingers typing too fast.

Hogiabach · 11/08/2008 17:31

Well ladies,
once again you have managed to put a smile on my face!
I'm lol reading this very truthful thread...keep em coming.....

favourthebrave · 11/08/2008 17:35

I'm not saying PND doesn't exist I don't think, I just don't really know what it is. Like VickyPea's very honest and good post below - does she need Prozac or is it like she says just that she's a mother to two demanding children and all the rest on top. I mean is the condition of early motherhood one that makes you feel bad or is PND something quite different. It's a sincere question.

Motherinferior. I think it's just that happiness is more difficult to write about. Anne Enright managed it with her book, but they are rare.

mamalovesmojitos · 11/08/2008 17:46

god i SWEAR i thought i was the only one not sailing through motherhood!

especially when my friends (all childless) tell me how lucky i am and how they are all going to have four children. i feel like a hopeless person.

i know i'm lucky, i adore my dd. but god it is hard and relentless, especially when they are babies. i absolutely found the baby stage incredibly boring, i just sat on my arse all day in a dull flat while she fed and fed and fed.

flabby tummy, black eyes, bleeding nipples etc. i mean really, i felt disgusting. and you cant even enjoy a shower to make yourself feel better!

i do actually find it easier a lot of the time now that my relationship with her dad is over. a lot of this is because all i craved when we were together (despite loving him) was SPACE AND PEACE AND QUIET!

even though i get sleep now (dd is 4) i am still so overwhelmed with practicalities, juggling study, career prospects, work. my whole life reaches it's climax of joy with my 9pm wine. it's just that feeling that i cant head out the door willy nilly for a walk or a coffee or even loo roll. loss of freedom. however all of you with babies, once they reach four it gets a lot easier.

and i blardy HATE the park. with a passion.

Seuss · 11/08/2008 17:47

Favour - 'the condition of early motherhood' - that should be in medical journals!

orangina · 11/08/2008 17:47

I often find myself wondering whether I need to go on ADs or whether I am just tired and struggling to juggle the usual 2 kids/ work/house/wife/me thing.

Haven't found the answer tbh....

Am mighty relieved that it's not just me struggling with it all, and assuming that everyone else is coasting along with quality family time whilst I seem to be engaged in petty battles with my toddler and wishing I could get to grips with Unconditional Bloody Parenting (which in itself is a godawful phrase...)

sigh.

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