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Desperate for advice - 11 year old DS

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Busydoingnothing1 · 10/12/2025 08:16

I’m looking for some advice on my 11 year old DS, who started secondary school in September. He is a clever boy, achieving greater depth in SATs in May this year, receives good reports at parents evenings, captain of his football team, liked by his friends etc.

For 70 - 80% of the time we have no problems with him at home, he is kind, caring and loving. However for the other 20% of the time his behaviour is a significant problem for the family (he has two older siblings at 16 and 18). Since he was around 5 he would have issues with controlling his anger and emotions, during which he would often resort to hair pulling, pinching and generally not listening. He would be told he would have a consequence whilst in the middle of tantrum but in that moment any threat of a consequence would not be bother him in the slightest. We have always followed through with consequences, such as no TV etc.

As he has got older this sort of behaviour has continued intermittently, in the last few years we have seen an improvement. The frequency of these tantrums and outbursts have reduced and the physical side of it greatly reduced.

That said, this behaviour does still surface and in the last week he has had three long lasting tantrums (2-3 hrs) during which he has little care or concern for any consequences he may receive or any damage or distress he causes.

Only last week when told “no” to something he’d asked for, he then went over to the window to start tapping and messing with the blinds in a way likely to cause damage. When asked to stop he proceeded to move on to the next thing, which is generally hitting/banging on something. Again told to stop so he made his way to the fridge to start messing with that. After being stopped from doing this be snatched a box of cereal from the cupboard and ran upstairs with it. When I asked him to bring it down, or be in more trouble, so he tipped out half the box and ran downstairs, put on his shoes and ran from the house. Everything he does seems aimed at getting a response from us.

He returned to the house after 5 mins and had to be physically taken upstairs by his dad, who has to sit outside his room to make sure he stayed there. Unless we do this he would continue to come downstairs and repeat this cycle of behaviour. Sometimes for 1 - 2 hours, constantly looking to do whatever he can that he knows you wouldn’t want him to.

As a consequence for the above we took away his phone/devices.

We had another similar incident last night whilst out for our usual evening dog walk. He asked to take a short cut. We told him that we couldn’t as the dog hadn’t had a big walk in the day. Up to that point he had been pleasant and chatty but in a heartbeat he resorted to being grumpy and stormed off in the opposite direction, towards home. We continued walking, shouted for him to catch up but he continued home.

When we got home he was again told his behaviour was unacceptable. As a consequence he was told he couldn’t watch TV and was told to go to his room. Again a flat out refusal to comply, so he had to be carried upstairs. This is literally the only way we can get him to go upstairs. We then had 2 hours of him jumping up and down on his floor to make noise, trying to get back downstairs, pushing his dad, shouting at his dad, saying he wants to be adopted.

When he is like this, we have tried talking to him, leaving him / giving him space, tell him off, mention consequences. Nothing ever bothers him enough to stop the behaviour until he either falls asleep or enough time passes for him to come out the other side.

Once he enters this mindset he will not back down, he is extremely defiant and in the moment doesn’t care about any consequences at all.

This past week has been the worst we have experienced for several months. The smallest of things can trigger him, with no rhyme or reason as to what will or won’t be the catalyst. One day something may trigger him, but the same thing could have happened the day before without problem.

We always try to speak to him the day after an outburst but he is always reluctant to do so, and would never mention it of his own accord. He struggles to see wrong in what he has done (it appears) with apologies being infrequent.

Once he does come out of it he returns back to being his usual happy self, being a model child, trying to be as close to us as possible, constantly at our side.

If we told anyone who knows him outside of the home how he can behave they would simply not believe us, as they all see him as being the perfect child.

We dont know what to do to manage these behaviour, we just feel at a loss. He can be worse after a busy week, when tired, but gets a good nights sleep. Any advice would be appreciated.

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123SugarCoffeeSugarDonuts · 10/12/2025 15:14

My BIL was like this as a child. He found better coping mechanisms around the age of 13 (found a hobby that consumed him and gave him the calm he needed). Later diagnosed with autism which made a lot of sense.

None of that is normal at 11. You need to seek help.

MyCatPrefersPeaches · 10/12/2025 15:19

DC1 was like this from around 4 onwards. He’s autistic and probably has ADHD. His behaviour has also markedly improved in recent years (he’s younger than your DS). I’d definitely look at a neurodiversity assessment and do some reading around ASD and ADHD.

Beerlzebub · 10/12/2025 15:22

Blimey, your husband manhandled him upstairs because he took a shortcut home on the dog walk?!

I really think that some family therapy would help you all.

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thornbury · 10/12/2025 15:53

I recommend you take him to see a clinical psychologist. There is something underlying this behaviour and it must be very distressing for him as well as you.

NerdMummy · 10/12/2025 17:34

I echo the other messages about neurodiversity: this sounds very much like my DD, who has a formal diagnosis of autism. Emotional dyregulation is how it mostly expresses itself on our case.

Even without a diagnosis, you can read up on emotional regulation straight for children with autism, and maybe try them out?

For example, with the tapping, that might actually be him trying something to calm down. Can you give him something to tap? DD has a whole range of fiddle toys. She also has a 'mental health first aid box', with photos, a rainstick, fizzy candy - something for all five senses, just to ground her in the moment and help her snap out of being inside her head. She'd also sometimes hold a bit of ice, again to help her ground her senses.

Basically, have a plan for what you might do next time this happens, ideally created together with DS. Read up on some ideas to help regulate emotions, and pick a few together?

Soontobe60 · 10/12/2025 17:38

thornbury · 10/12/2025 15:53

I recommend you take him to see a clinical psychologist. There is something underlying this behaviour and it must be very distressing for him as well as you.

Probably being told what his punishments will be whilst in the middle of a tantrum, or having his father carrying him upstairs and barricading him in his bedroom might have something to do with it.

MrsTBlue · 10/12/2025 17:43

What did I just read? Why can you 11 year old son not chose to walk home when he had enough? Why is it his responsibility that the dog didn't get walked Why did the dog not get walked enough during the day, thats neglectful in itself. You showed much lack of flexibility if he is in year 7 end of term he must be so very exhausted. Why didn't one parent take him home and the other continue walking the dog? And it sounds awful that your husband is carrying a 11 year old boy up as punishment. Its humiliating. You husband does odd things and perhaps you do too Op. Poor boy

Nettleskeins · 10/12/2025 17:44

Read The Explosive Child
Also How to Talk so Kids Listen by Faber and Mazlish

I think all these consequences are making things a lot lot worse. He sounds likely a tightly wound spring that you are pinging at the worst moment.

Talking about things the day after isn't going to stop the behaviour, changing the way you organise his life or talking through things in terms of options short walk and long walk IN ADVANCE is what will help.

Transitions, and triggers are always going to affect him -it's a question of recognising these things in advance and not assuming what is rational and reasonable to you, adults who control arrangements, will feel to him, who has no power to control what happens next except by "reacting."

WildCountry · 10/12/2025 17:49

He sounds very much like my ten year old y6 boy. He’s on the waiting list for adhd/autism diagnosis. When he behaves like this we never give him ‘timeout’ unless he asks for time alone as he needs help in these moments to manage these emotions. We give him ‘time in’ and try to emotion coach. Eg ‘I can see that when you didn’t get to take the short cut it made you angry. Perhaps this is because …. I can understand that. However the dog needed a long walk…. Walking off on your own was not safe because… the consequence of this will be…’. We try to make consequences natural or at least logical and only discuss when he’s calm.
all easier said than done though!

Nettleskeins · 10/12/2025 17:53

I'm sure he is under more pressure than you realise being in first year at secondary juggling homework trying to be popular behave in lessons etc. At home he needs to feel he can just relax and zone out and the evening dog walk may be the last straw...could that go by the wayside - leave him at home. Also he may be hANGRY, so "stealing "food is a typical act of desperation - don't punish that!!!

LawrieForShepherdsBoy · 10/12/2025 17:53

I also recommend the book ‘how to talk so children listen’ think there’s a teen version too. I think you’ve pin-pointed a lot of the main things already. His anger passes naturally with time, when you escalate situations then everything escalates, and punishments don’t work in the moment. Def read the book. Or listen on Audible.

fruitypancake · 10/12/2025 18:01

Some great advice on here OP, I would do some research on the nervous system too- it sounds like you are trying to reason with him when he is already in fight/flight - at this point it is impossible to think rationally as that part of the brain goes missing in action . Educating yourselves and him about this can help to understand - this is why threat of consequence means nothing at this stage . Work with him to find tools to calm his nervous system - this could be breathing exercises or mindfulness.
I wonder if there is a sense of pressure ( maybe self imposed ) to be a certain way whilst in public - he is safe at home to release all those feelings . Have a look at ‘the chimp on my shoulder’ philosophy with him - there are books you can buy . I think the best bet is to show emotional understanding as someone else suggested - e.g “I can see you are feeling angry, what do you need right now ‘ maybe a hug or a safe space. Also look up the ‘anger iceberg’ what is going on beneath the surface

fruitypancake · 10/12/2025 18:03

Consider some therapy for him or some family therapy for you all even - how best to work together to support him

purpleme12 · 10/12/2025 18:06

Consequences aren't working

Is the problem that he can't calm down? From what you're saying it's like he keeps on going when he's in these states. So you need to find a way to calm him down in that moment, rather than do consequences.

What would work?
Co-regulate? Eg give a hard hug?
Weighted blanket?
Trampoline?
Ice cubes?

purpleme12 · 10/12/2025 18:07

11 is very old to be carrying him upstairs

verycloakanddaggers · 10/12/2025 18:17

Your whole post lists you escalating, instead of de-escalating.

Agree with purpleme12 who said you need to find a way to calm him down in that moment, rather than do consequences. Consequences can be talked about once everyone is calm.

THisbackwithavengeance · 10/12/2025 18:19

He’s likely autistic. He’s having meltdowns which are NOT tantrums. He cannot help them so don’t punish him. It’s like punishing a child for being left handed.

Get to your GP and get an Early Years referral.

Nettleskeins · 10/12/2025 18:24

I particularly noticed that he is not hitting you or your husband when he is frustrated but taking his anger out on things and ""subtle "things at first. It may be taking a tremendous effort of will for him to fiddle with the blinds instead of attacking you both or just stealing cereal instead of smashing things up. You don't seem to be giving him any credit for all the self control he is actually exhibiting!!! He runs off home not into the abyss; he comes in after five minutes; he doesn't try and switch the telly on when you tell him he can't watch telly. It's as if the boundaries you set are working in some peverse way but lo and behold the "defiance" is resurfacing.

It's not "defiance". It's his FEELINGS of being shamed and wrongly shamed that have to have an outlet. Why would you want him to be compliant ?- what I'm sure you really want is to connect with him not to just set unswerving boundaries

MrsTBlue · 10/12/2025 18:30

Maybe my post was a bit harsh as we often don't see the weird ways we can act as parents and in families. But take these comments to heart OP, as a pp said aim to deescalate, and cease the inappropriate physical carrying of a pre teen. He may not be autistic at all, perhaps he is just exhausted and in need of more understanding parenting. More rest, food, emotional connection. To me your boy sounds lovely but lost. Only you and your dh can help. Is this a blended family situation? Not judging but that can come with additional frustrations, loyalties, jealousies and inconsistencies for all. If not blended then the age gap is quite big again this can cause the youngest some additional frustrations. I am a bit concerned that your dh, a grown and presumably middle aged man has no qualms physically manhandling an 11 year old. It is not appropriate.

MrsTBlue · 10/12/2025 18:37

Not wishing to spam you thread but you can make one positive change right now. Speak to you h and agree that your ds will not ever be man handled again. You need to look for support, maybe family therapy, but if not tat, parenting classes. Even if he isn't ND parenting courses and session aimed at parents with nd dc can help you too.

Give him more agency. He is captain of the footie team? Shows he has some leadership in him, nurture this don't make him yield.

Who is more authoritarian you or your dh? Or both in equal measures? I read in between the lines is that there is a culture of coercion in your family. If a family member is tired and with very good reason (y7, late autumn term, which pre teen child enjoys a late night winter doggie walk??? Answer is probably NONE), let them make the choice to go home, it's a very sensible choice. You are teaching him not to trust himself. I think he is frustrated with his family, not necessarily nd.

Monvelo · 10/12/2025 18:44

I do think it sounds a bit like he's looking for a rise and you are giving him one...

Busydoingnothing1 · 10/12/2025 19:07

purpleme12 · 10/12/2025 18:06

Consequences aren't working

Is the problem that he can't calm down? From what you're saying it's like he keeps on going when he's in these states. So you need to find a way to calm him down in that moment, rather than do consequences.

What would work?
Co-regulate? Eg give a hard hug?
Weighted blanket?
Trampoline?
Ice cubes?

He can’t/wont come out of it, there are times when he can be talked around, but in the times when he is ‘Gone’ nothing works, have tried previously asking him if he wants a cuddle to help calm down, to go and have some time in his room. Nothing seems to work, he will tell us to shut up, or he’s not bothered. He will just carry on doing things, which he knows are not ok, walking past banging/hitting on things, going to my bedroom and pulling all my bedding on to the floor etc.

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purpleme12 · 10/12/2025 19:14

Have you tried just going to him and enveloping him into a tight hug and keeping him there? Rather than asking him
Have you tried suggesting chatting to childline?
They do online chat
There are other ways of calming down too of course
The focus has to be on finding a way in getting him to calm down when he's like this

Busydoingnothing1 · 10/12/2025 19:45

Monvelo · 10/12/2025 18:44

I do think it sounds a bit like he's looking for a rise and you are giving him one...

What can we do though, while he sometimes has the intention to damage things?

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