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Desperate for advice - 11 year old DS

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Busydoingnothing1 · 10/12/2025 08:16

I’m looking for some advice on my 11 year old DS, who started secondary school in September. He is a clever boy, achieving greater depth in SATs in May this year, receives good reports at parents evenings, captain of his football team, liked by his friends etc.

For 70 - 80% of the time we have no problems with him at home, he is kind, caring and loving. However for the other 20% of the time his behaviour is a significant problem for the family (he has two older siblings at 16 and 18). Since he was around 5 he would have issues with controlling his anger and emotions, during which he would often resort to hair pulling, pinching and generally not listening. He would be told he would have a consequence whilst in the middle of tantrum but in that moment any threat of a consequence would not be bother him in the slightest. We have always followed through with consequences, such as no TV etc.

As he has got older this sort of behaviour has continued intermittently, in the last few years we have seen an improvement. The frequency of these tantrums and outbursts have reduced and the physical side of it greatly reduced.

That said, this behaviour does still surface and in the last week he has had three long lasting tantrums (2-3 hrs) during which he has little care or concern for any consequences he may receive or any damage or distress he causes.

Only last week when told “no” to something he’d asked for, he then went over to the window to start tapping and messing with the blinds in a way likely to cause damage. When asked to stop he proceeded to move on to the next thing, which is generally hitting/banging on something. Again told to stop so he made his way to the fridge to start messing with that. After being stopped from doing this be snatched a box of cereal from the cupboard and ran upstairs with it. When I asked him to bring it down, or be in more trouble, so he tipped out half the box and ran downstairs, put on his shoes and ran from the house. Everything he does seems aimed at getting a response from us.

He returned to the house after 5 mins and had to be physically taken upstairs by his dad, who has to sit outside his room to make sure he stayed there. Unless we do this he would continue to come downstairs and repeat this cycle of behaviour. Sometimes for 1 - 2 hours, constantly looking to do whatever he can that he knows you wouldn’t want him to.

As a consequence for the above we took away his phone/devices.

We had another similar incident last night whilst out for our usual evening dog walk. He asked to take a short cut. We told him that we couldn’t as the dog hadn’t had a big walk in the day. Up to that point he had been pleasant and chatty but in a heartbeat he resorted to being grumpy and stormed off in the opposite direction, towards home. We continued walking, shouted for him to catch up but he continued home.

When we got home he was again told his behaviour was unacceptable. As a consequence he was told he couldn’t watch TV and was told to go to his room. Again a flat out refusal to comply, so he had to be carried upstairs. This is literally the only way we can get him to go upstairs. We then had 2 hours of him jumping up and down on his floor to make noise, trying to get back downstairs, pushing his dad, shouting at his dad, saying he wants to be adopted.

When he is like this, we have tried talking to him, leaving him / giving him space, tell him off, mention consequences. Nothing ever bothers him enough to stop the behaviour until he either falls asleep or enough time passes for him to come out the other side.

Once he enters this mindset he will not back down, he is extremely defiant and in the moment doesn’t care about any consequences at all.

This past week has been the worst we have experienced for several months. The smallest of things can trigger him, with no rhyme or reason as to what will or won’t be the catalyst. One day something may trigger him, but the same thing could have happened the day before without problem.

We always try to speak to him the day after an outburst but he is always reluctant to do so, and would never mention it of his own accord. He struggles to see wrong in what he has done (it appears) with apologies being infrequent.

Once he does come out of it he returns back to being his usual happy self, being a model child, trying to be as close to us as possible, constantly at our side.

If we told anyone who knows him outside of the home how he can behave they would simply not believe us, as they all see him as being the perfect child.

We dont know what to do to manage these behaviour, we just feel at a loss. He can be worse after a busy week, when tired, but gets a good nights sleep. Any advice would be appreciated.

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TheGoddessFrigg · 11/12/2025 11:20

Busydoingnothing1 · 11/12/2025 11:01

Not rigid, but do end up working towards a certain routine, knowing more so we can have a tough period of time if he is tired. For example - a week at school, dinner at a friends while at primary big meltdown when he got home.

As you have gone through similar, what do you suggest when he digs his heals in and won’t go up for a bath, after asking, asking again, trying to make a game out of it (which feels like babying him), things that he knows you want/need him to do. Very occasionally something might annoy him in the morning and he’ll say I’m not going to school, I tend to ignore the comment as I know he would hate to be late and have to go to school reception, so I’ll give him a minute, then say you’ll end up late and he’ll go off in a grump.

If he wont go for a bath- let go of the rope. Just say 'Okay but you will smeill tomorrow!;. Or let him have a shower instead. I also have ADHD and my parents would totally over=react to the littlest infraction or presumed disobedience. All it achieved was that I became more and more dysregulated and it went on all night.

If my father had physically carried me to my room and barricaded me in, I would have absolutely LOST IT

Busydoingnothing1 · 11/12/2025 11:37

u3ername · 11/12/2025 11:16

When he digs his heels - you get curious, find out the why and acknowledge. You coregulate and help get through with calmness. You’re the authority but always with empathy.

When he says I’m not going to school, you can choose to not say anything, giving him time and waiting to see if there’s more he wants to share (very different to ignoring) or you can just coregulate - you might be feeling this and that might help.

Edited

Thank you. He only makes comments like that every now and then, sometime after a meltdown ‘im
bot going to school’ or ‘I’m not going to football’. I don't think it’s he doesn’t want to go to these things, it’s more something happened eg he’s had a cross word with his sister waiting for the bathroom, so will then come down bang on something then it’s ’I’m not going to school’. His sister not giving it a second thought, where as it becomes more to him. These are just small events I know, that get said when he seems in a certain mindset, ie he’s annoyed at someone/something what can I say that will get to them.

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u3ername · 11/12/2025 11:41

“You don’t want to go. …Are you may be feeling cross with your sister? What she said was upsetting.”
Some children are more porous to the world and take in things very deeply.

Edit to add, in case it’s not obvious, he will go and you are not saying he can not go. You are redirecting to the real issue for the upset by first showing him you’re listening. You’re teaching him to recognise what he’s feeling, what caused it, and that it’s normal to feel that way. Usually just talking about it is enough to move on.

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about these subjects:

u3ername · 11/12/2025 11:59

And if the sister didn’t say anything upsetting but he was upset because he couldn’t use the bathroom when he wanted to, then you work on his frustration tolerance/ transition skills with a lot of ‘you really wanted to use the bathroom but she’s in there. That’s annoying for you, you like your routine’.
I wouldn’t assume his main objective is to be difficult. Focus on what he might be having hard time with and support.

OrangeBlossomsinthesun · 11/12/2025 12:07

Busydoingnothing1 · 11/12/2025 09:49

He did not feel unable to walk, he was absolutely fine, until we said we were going to stick to the normal route, he knows the walk. As soon as we said ‘no, we’re going to do the normal walk’ that was it, stopped, tip tapped a lamppost, then turned back on himself and started walking the way we had came. This is just one senario, a simple no about something, when he has plenty of ‘yes’s’ day to day too, can lead to the over reaction, or we have mis understood something he has said etc

Why is this a problem that needs punishment though? I really don´t understand.

OrangeBlossomsinthesun · 11/12/2025 12:15

"what do you suggest when he digs his heals in and won’t go up for a bath, after asking, asking again" totally not engaging. It´s not the end of the world. If he won´t and he smells tomorrow then that´s the natural consequence for him. I´d probably say, "Well, you´ll be smelly tomorrow then."

You really do seem to be expecting TOTAL compliance with really small unimportant things and then totally overreacting if he doesn´t want to do something. He´s 11 he´s not a baby. Try giving him a bit of leeway.

You have to do something different because very soon he´s going to be as big or bigger than you and you won´t be able to physically force him (and should NOT be doing it anyway).

Again, why is it important that we got annoyed and went home on the dog walk? Why is is important that he took the cereal upstairs? Because it´s "not allowed"? You know it´s to needle you, so drop the rope and don´t react. Reacting pushes it to the next level, ups the ante. And it´s a big of fecking cereal for goodness sake.

You have to take a BIG step back.

Busydoingnothing1 · 11/12/2025 12:19

OrangeBlossomsinthesun · 11/12/2025 12:07

Why is this a problem that needs punishment though? I really don´t understand.

With hindsight at the point he asked, like the OP mentioned we should have given him
a choice, come with us or go back home if you’d prefer. But that was just on example of things like that which pop up, and sometimes the answer will
be no.

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OrangeBlossomsinthesun · 11/12/2025 12:20

Busydoingnothing1 · 11/12/2025 11:37

Thank you. He only makes comments like that every now and then, sometime after a meltdown ‘im
bot going to school’ or ‘I’m not going to football’. I don't think it’s he doesn’t want to go to these things, it’s more something happened eg he’s had a cross word with his sister waiting for the bathroom, so will then come down bang on something then it’s ’I’m not going to school’. His sister not giving it a second thought, where as it becomes more to him. These are just small events I know, that get said when he seems in a certain mindset, ie he’s annoyed at someone/something what can I say that will get to them.

If your DH were in a grump about something that happened at work and you asked him to empty the dishwasher and he said, I´ll do it later, I´m not in the mood right now, would you start inisisting and then applying "consequences" for not doing it? No, you would back off and give him a bit of space. You might ask if he wanted to talk about it, or commiserate. And anyway, it´s only a dishwasher, right? So why so draconian with DS?

OrangeBlossomsinthesun · 11/12/2025 12:24

Busydoingnothing1 · 11/12/2025 12:19

With hindsight at the point he asked, like the OP mentioned we should have given him
a choice, come with us or go back home if you’d prefer. But that was just on example of things like that which pop up, and sometimes the answer will
be no.

But why did you feel the need to punish? What were you punishing? Did he speak to you rudely, was it the fact that he was angry and left? Was it that he didn´t complete the walk? What was his infraction that needed unishing, that´s what I don´t understand. And it makes me think you are both very very rigid with him.

Trekkerbabe · 11/12/2025 12:30

Busydoingnothing1 · 10/12/2025 20:48

This is a walk we do very often, he knew where we going, on this night he asked to take the short cut and was told no, as soon as we said no, he stopped walking, his demeanour changed, was asked to ‘come on’ but instead turned round to walk back towards home. Yes he is 11 and knew where we were but it was dark. Before we left, he had been fine. Chatting about school etc when we set off. For some reason, in this instance, on this evening, he heard no and then it escalated. When we returned home, what do you think should have happened? As he would not have moved forward with anything else he needed to do before bed. If we asked him to have a bath, etc he would not have done these things.

My son responds better to gentle persuasion than an outright no. He also had a conscience and often feels guilty after an outburst.

On the walk would your son have responded to something like "oh come on this is 'dog's favourite walk and he loves having you along" and

"When we get home would you like to choose a chocolate bar or a packet of crisps"

I definitely don't get it right most of the time but in the moment it might help to play him off rather than confront.

Lookingforthejoy · 11/12/2025 12:33

Hi OP,

I have only read the messages you have cited when replying but I agree with all of them.

A 13 year old having a meltdown for 2 to 3 is not typical and suggests ND. If he is ND or NT he clearly needs more support. He sounds like a very unhappy little boy. You need to look into this, speak to school SENCO - ask if they have noticed anything and what referals they can put in place to help, make GP appointment but ulimatley if he is high masking at school you need to go private.

I agree that your parenting is very rigid and controlling. You and your DH are esculating issues uneccesarily and causing some of the problems.

At this time of year, illnesses, Christmas prep and excitment kids will be more dysregulated and you need to plan for this, more down time, activities which are regulating for him.

Busydoingnothing1 · 11/12/2025 12:34

Trekkerbabe · 11/12/2025 12:30

My son responds better to gentle persuasion than an outright no. He also had a conscience and often feels guilty after an outburst.

On the walk would your son have responded to something like "oh come on this is 'dog's favourite walk and he loves having you along" and

"When we get home would you like to choose a chocolate bar or a packet of crisps"

I definitely don't get it right most of the time but in the moment it might help to play him off rather than confront.

Sometimes this does work, distraction with a game etc. Other times especially when in the mood he is at the minute, won’t make any difference.

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SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 11/12/2025 12:39

You’re punishing him for every tiny little thing and escalating the situation at every opportunity. This isn’t a DS problem, but a poor parenting problem.

He is 11 and you give him zero autonomy.
Fine to say “no” to something but not fine to expect him to happily obey and have no feelings of frustration or disappointment.
Seems he needs a physical outlet to regulate these emotions - which you have failed to provide so he is desperately searching for something. Why not have a basketball hoop, or a boxing punch bag set up in the garage? Or as he plays foot ball, a goal in the garden he can kick balls into. So instead of tapping on windows or hitting a dining chair he can engage in something physical until his feelings of disappointment and frustration at the no pass.

On the walk, he should be free to say no and leave the dog walk at any time for any reason. You rejected the shortcut suggestion from him out of hand (how often do you say yes to him?) so he went home on his own which is is perfectly old enough and able to do. You and your DH on your return home engaged in an escalating series of draconian punishments all because he decided he wanted to go home. The cereal thing was bonkers…how was that something to say stop to? And then manhandling him and imprisoning him in his room? Cruelty imho.

I think his defiance and not backing down often comes from knowing you guys are punishing him for nothing. You need parenting classes.

QforCucumber · 11/12/2025 14:25

oh @Busydoingnothing1 you could be talking about my 9 year old here right down to the fidgeting with things when wound up,

he also has a tendency to walk away when being spoken to or refuse to engage and my god it can be rage inducing. DH deals with it in a similar way to you and your DH (although no physical carrying him) and they come to loggerheads so often.

I've actually just sent him (DH) this thread as he often says DS must be 'punished' or he will 'never learn' (oh yay for 90s parenting styes) and would probably lose his shit with him for similar things as you (and I've done it myself too out of frustration sometimes)

I have found that involving him in decisions works so much better than telling him a straight 'this is happening' even if that's, ok dude we've got to go here today, shall we grab some lunch while out - you choose where Greggs or Tesco cafe? it helps him feel included in our choices and that he matters.

Some days he comes home from school and you can tell hes had a bad day, those days I sometimes extend his gaming time by 30 mins as I can see him physically decompress, however he still has a couple of jobs and he is aware that these needs to still be done before or after the gaming time.

I also now, rather than 'its bath time off you go' will approach him with 'are you having a bath or a shower tonight? If its a shower you've got a bit of extra time here to finish off whatever you're doing afterwards, but either way expect you in that bathroom by 8pm as dad will need to use the bathroom after you' or whatever. If he says can I give it a miss tonight that's fine, but he knows he needs a quick shower when he gets up in the morning.

Basically - accepting him as a human and no longer a toddler who does everything he's told to is helping, but I cant say we've got it nailed quite yet!

OrangeBlossomsinthesun · 11/12/2025 14:28

Basically - accepting him as a human and no longer a toddler who does everything he's told to is helping

Absolutely.

Busydoingnothing1 · 11/12/2025 14:54

We don’t expect him to do everything he is told, we have two other children who are older and we know that’s not the way it goes.

its his reaction and the defiance to these things. Lots of times I could say, right come on time to go, get sorted and he does no problem. It’s the other times when something small leads to the big meltdown. Also he is not fidgeting with things, nor do I think he is looking to break things, but the care for things goes out the window, shoving a chair, kicking the arm of the sofa over and over again, banging stuff, jumping up and down over and over on his bedroom floor.

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FlatStanley50 · 11/12/2025 15:01

He sounds v similar to my 11 year old who is autistic. The tiny small thing is just the trigger/ final straw - dysregulation has been building all day/ sometimes all week and then being asked to brush her teeth is one demand too far and she'll have a 2 hour meltdown. But it's not actually about the teeth brushing, it's all the other stuff. I also recommend 'the explosive child' and perhaps some reading up on neurodiversity.

QforCucumber · 11/12/2025 15:04

shoving a chair, kicking the arm of the sofa over and over again, banging stuff, jumping up and down over and over on his bedroom floor.

These are fidgeting with things though - in his way, DS would go upstairs and bounce a tennis ball off the wall, or rip things apart. When I was his age i would pull at my eyebrows and eyelashes. For Xmas the last couple of years hes got fidget toys, things hes allowed to pull apart or to mess with, they're kept in small pots around the house, he goes straight to those now rather than to kicking doors and slamming drawers over and over which is what he used to do.

Busydoingnothing1 · 11/12/2025 15:07

QforCucumber · 11/12/2025 15:04

shoving a chair, kicking the arm of the sofa over and over again, banging stuff, jumping up and down over and over on his bedroom floor.

These are fidgeting with things though - in his way, DS would go upstairs and bounce a tennis ball off the wall, or rip things apart. When I was his age i would pull at my eyebrows and eyelashes. For Xmas the last couple of years hes got fidget toys, things hes allowed to pull apart or to mess with, they're kept in small pots around the house, he goes straight to those now rather than to kicking doors and slamming drawers over and over which is what he used to do.

Sounds like similar outbursts, it’s just getting him to direct to these other things when he’s reached that point.

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Busydoingnothing1 · 11/12/2025 15:09

FlatStanley50 · 11/12/2025 15:01

He sounds v similar to my 11 year old who is autistic. The tiny small thing is just the trigger/ final straw - dysregulation has been building all day/ sometimes all week and then being asked to brush her teeth is one demand too far and she'll have a 2 hour meltdown. But it's not actually about the teeth brushing, it's all the other stuff. I also recommend 'the explosive child' and perhaps some reading up on neurodiversity.

Thank you. Are you dealing with similar behaviours?

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FlappicusSmith · 11/12/2025 15:10

Busydoingnothing1 · 10/12/2025 22:54

I am grateful for all advice, just trying to give a clear picture that’s all.
Will definitely take the knowledge forward and try these things.
He is is very different to parent to my other two children.

I haven't read the rest of the thread, but this response screams ND to me. I have one ND and one NT (I think) child. The ND one (autism and adhd, also high masking, like your son sounds he is) is much much harder to parent. It's not their fault though. They spend all day masking at school, trying to fit in, their brain has to work so much harder to figure out what they're supposed to be doing and lots of it goes against their instinct. My ND child also has a PDA (demand avoidant) profile, which is a fucking nightmare to parent! Demands and hard boundaries just lead to escalation and explosions. Instead, we've had to learn to be more flexible, let stuff go (which includes letting go of caring what other people think of our child or our parenting of them) and are much more inclusive of them in our conversations about what does and doesn't work for us as a family. You have to collaborate with ND (especially PDA) kids, rather than tell them what to do/ how it's going to be.

But you have my sympathies OP. It is hard, especially when you can see it building in your child (like your son aggitating - he's not doing that to get a reaction, btw, he's doing it because his brain gets a dopamine hit from it and when he's dysregulated (i.e. after school) his brain is seeking dopamine to try to calm itself down/ get reward).

Airelles · 11/12/2025 15:10

BadgernTheGarden · 10/12/2025 21:06

Tell him it's not acceptable behaviour in your best serious voice. I would not let him start destroying things, it just wouldn't happen, he would be out in the garden at best. You have to be really strong or he will just think he can do what he wants. A how dare you or two wouldn't go amiss, this is a child in the house and he will get bigger and more difficult if you don't sort it out now.

If you have a neurodiverse child this kind of strategy is unlikely to work as they would probably not stay in the garden and just run away creating a greater worry.

FlappicusSmith · 11/12/2025 15:11

Does any of this sound familiar OP?

https://www.pdasociety.org.uk/what-is-pda/pda-traits/

FlappicusSmith · 11/12/2025 15:13

Airelles · 11/12/2025 15:10

If you have a neurodiverse child this kind of strategy is unlikely to work as they would probably not stay in the garden and just run away creating a greater worry.

Ha ha ha ha! A 'how dare you' has absolutely zero impact on my ND, PDA child. It just escalates. Ditto punishments. Just makes them feel more shit about themselves (and confused)...

Wait until he's calm, then have a calm conversation about what is and isn't acceptable. Also try to figure out what needs (not wants!) of his that aren't being met.

SnipSnipMrBurgess · 11/12/2025 16:45

Im not one for an online diagnosis but the adhd and autism markers are screaming at me here.

You are describing my son to the letter. Our house was a war zone until I stopped making it a war zone. Its totally ok to say fine walk the other way, dont have a shower tonight have one in the morning, etc. Save your energy for the big battles.

But if your son exhibits this behaviour and wets the bed at his age, you are definitely overdue seeking support for him.

And stop manhandling him around the place he must feel very disregulated, I felt anxious just reading it.