Human rights health visitor

[Erlisk]

I have seen it here before but the posts are old. Before my baby was born i told my midwife (UK) that i did not want any visits at home. I just like my privacy and want to be able to decide who enters my home. They offer visits as a service so i just decided to not let them in. I was happy to go for appointments.

Then in the hospital when the baby was born, they told me "someone was going to come into my house even if i do not want that". I kept saying no. They kept saying they just wanted to see where the baby would sleep etc. i said no. Then the midwifes came to the door and i told them i did not want them in my house. So they reported me to social services. Social services called me and threatened with official investigation if i do not let the midwifes and later health visitor in my house. Also for the one year visit.

I texted them many times i did not want. I also told them in person. So i have a lot of proof. Ok long story short i let them in.because they threatened with social services investigation = trying to take your baby. I had to let them in, they said everything was fine, and closed the case. But instead of bonding with my baby i was stressed that they were trying to take her away.

So. It is ten months ago so the one year visit is coming and I DO NOT WANT THEM IN MY HOUSE. So i decided to go after them. And yes, it is human rights violation. It is not normal in civilised countries that someone comes to your house without your consent and without a warrant. If you do not let them in they basically threaten to take your baby.

I am not looking for the comments that they are just helping etc. I am not interested in that 😉. What i am looking for here is other moms who went after them. I am researching where to complain. I am also making a list of solicitors who would help me. And maybe some group court case? I will make complaint to NHS. I believe we only have one year for this kind of thing so only people who experienced this last year. Or if you went through going to court and have a good no win no fee lawyer (London or Kent). They are violating human rights you everyone so no, i will not let it go.

Baby P had HV and SS visit him and his mum at his home.

It certainly didn't help him. Baby P just proved what a waste of money and a failure it is.

Human rights extend to your child. And they need to be sure that your child is being treated correctly. Refusal to allow them to check your child is safe is going to ring alarm bells. So be prepared for the same thing to happen at the 1 year visit.

I don't think you actually have a case for this. I don't like people I don't know in my home either, but I also like knowing they're satisfied and have done their job and they aren't worried for my child.

Be a grown up.

For those not Uk based, not all 1 year checks are at home. I had a midwife in my house once for each child, a few days after their birth. It really wasn’t a big deal, they didn’t feel intrusive or nose around, they literally saw me and my baby for a couple of minutes and asked how we were, checked how cord was healing. It’s a check for the mum as well as the child. One picked up my baby had tongue tie so it was really helpful.

i honestly think there are real violations of human rights you could throw your energy into.

as others say there are the most vulnerable who will benefit from these checks and by taking them away their lives are more likely to be at risk. Not that all cases of abuse or neglect will be picked up, but some may be. Why argue for that?

also if you think the midwife is incompetent that’s a separate issue, not a reason to remove the service altogether

And they need to be sure that your child is being treated correctly.

That is what Baby Clinics are for. No need for them to come to your home.

The levels of service failures in relation to Victoria Climbie and Baby P (God bless their souls) were astounding. Certainly significant changes and safety mechanisms needed to be implemented at service delivery level, not least in A&E when Victoria visited.

The HV response in response to those cases is disproportionate.

I hope you do get investigated by Social Services, your attitude to child health/development checks is very concerning. As others have said you said absolutely unhinged.

@Erlisk this is completely bonkers and I see you as a huge red flag for authorities. Only people with something to hide are this vocal. I feel for your children.

How can they tell you're not just shoving them in a box at home to sleep, at the clinic?

If OP spoke to them like she's spoken to people here, there will have been red flags raised. Which will have made them feel like they needed to check up.

If they just went "oh mum was aggressive about us going to her home so we won't go", every time a person behaved strangely towards them, how many babies would suffer?

Wait until you find out the teachers come to your house before they start school too.
This is very much a you problem and something you might want help to work through.

I never enjoyed these visits either. Just one of those things you have to put up with.

"Going after them" when they are doing their job checking that your baby is well and being looked after is a massive overreaction.

I can understand you don't want people in your home but is it really such an issue surely it's just safeguarding I don't understand what so wrong with that.

Yes you really do need to think of the future here OP. They will reopen the file because they have genuine concerns.

My youngest has a penchant for extreme sports. The amount of times that we’ve been to the local A&E or the walk-in centre is ridiculous. Some of the staff at the walk-in centre knew her name without having to read it for a while. At no point have we ever had a referral because nothing we have done has raised suspicion.

We’ve accepted all visits when they were born, engaged with health and education, had them vaccinated and sought medical attention when they’ve needed it.

I don’t understand why you’d want the file reopening and why you’re so very, very focussed on what, for most people is a slightly inconvenient appointment.

You are coming across as quite aggressive in your replies so maybe they have picked up on that in your dealings with them. They might have legitimate concerns, you seem to be making their case for them.

As an American, you do not have universal free health care for pregnant and post partum mothers. You also have the worst maternity leave and maternity pay in comparison with other 1st world, high income countries. So I'm not sure why you are boasting about a healthcare system that no-one outside the US envies or wishes to emulate.

Really OP, you’re being ridiculous. Take them on if you wish, if you have money to burn on this ridiculous crusade. You won’t win.

Neglect is the biggest form of child abuse, not drugs and alcohol, and the only way to ensure child safety is to see the home environment.

They need to come in to check that your house and where the baby sleeps are safe . I don't understand why you would object .

But instead of bonding with my baby i was stressed that they were trying to take her away.

From your OP this stands out to me. It suggests there was more going on for you after the birth and you're now looking to blame the authorities. I think in the interests of your child you should try to move on and find ways of dealing with how you feel which don't involve pursuing a lengthy, consuming legal process. You sound fixated on proving a conspiracy against you and it doesn't sound healthy. Pursuing this case will likely isolate you further and be more damaging. Sometimes we have to accept that something doesn't seem right/just and get on with things without dwelling on it.

That stood out to me too. OP was stressed they were trying to take her baby away because of her own behaviourand therefore thinks that the right course of action is to go after a free, valuable service for new mothers.

It does make a huge difference, because although of course parents also lie at home, it’s also obvious whether people smoke in the home, whether there is mould on the walls and drug paraphernalia littered around, dog faeces in the carpet etc.

All this is, is fascistic overreach

Thats your opinion. My opinion is that when children do die of abuse and neglect there is a huge outcry and social workers are portrayed as monstrous. Everyone says ‘why did nobody do anything?’ The state can’t win.

Are they going to visit at tea time, to make sure baby is being fed the right food at the right time, too?

Nice use of reductio ad absurdum, but the answer is of course obviously not.

What....the....fuck??? Is this true? Do they really pay teachers to go to hundreds of students homes?

It's worse than I thought.

Please tell me you were exaggerating? Please?

I think the authorities would be right to show concern about your baby’s welfare. You are setting them up for a very difficult childhood if this is going to be your approach going forward.

You need to relax it would only of been a 15 minute appointment nothing worth getting het up about.
And I'm not one of those posters who insist every professional is right/an angel. I had my first child at 16 and was spoken to like shit by a nurse at the hospital when they were a baby and I suspected meningitis she even write up a malicious report about me, guess she just wanted to pick on a young mum.

People like that are the minority though and they cannot do much by themselves they need a team of professionals to agree before they take a child away.

So telling the OP isn't answering to all the people saying she's showing red flags and sounds like she has something to hide. Are you so "pro human rights" about other things and other people, or just this very specific situation?

Only some schools do this