Human rights health visitor

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I have seen it here before but the posts are old. Before my baby was born i told my midwife (UK) that i did not want any visits at home. I just like my privacy and want to be able to decide who enters my home. They offer visits as a service so i just decided to not let them in. I was happy to go for appointments.

Then in the hospital when the baby was born, they told me "someone was going to come into my house even if i do not want that". I kept saying no. They kept saying they just wanted to see where the baby would sleep etc. i said no. Then the midwifes came to the door and i told them i did not want them in my house. So they reported me to social services. Social services called me and threatened with official investigation if i do not let the midwifes and later health visitor in my house. Also for the one year visit.

I texted them many times i did not want. I also told them in person. So i have a lot of proof. Ok long story short i let them in.because they threatened with social services investigation = trying to take your baby. I had to let them in, they said everything was fine, and closed the case. But instead of bonding with my baby i was stressed that they were trying to take her away.

So. It is ten months ago so the one year visit is coming and I DO NOT WANT THEM IN MY HOUSE. So i decided to go after them. And yes, it is human rights violation. It is not normal in civilised countries that someone comes to your house without your consent and without a warrant. If you do not let them in they basically threaten to take your baby.

I am not looking for the comments that they are just helping etc. I am not interested in that 😉. What i am looking for here is other moms who went after them. I am researching where to complain. I am also making a list of solicitors who would help me. And maybe some group court case? I will make complaint to NHS. I believe we only have one year for this kind of thing so only people who experienced this last year. Or if you went through going to court and have a good no win no fee lawyer (London or Kent). They are violating human rights you everyone so no, i will not let it go.

Yes, but parents lie. People lie about all kinds of things. People lie about having xl bully dogs in their homes unsupervised with babies. And babies can’t talk, so that’s why someone comes and checks that as far as they can tell, the baby is going to be safe.

No, they are voluntary. That is a fact. People can and do refuse, it’s not uncommon. If OP’s interactions with them raised safeguarding concerns that doesn’t change the fact they are voluntary.

Perhaps find a thread about something you actually understand to post on?

You have rights, but your baby has rights too.

the child’s safety comes first and there is no evidence that health visits lead to a child being harmed - the evidence below shows that so forget the tripe you have heard before someone starts a crowd funder to enable your child to sue you for breaching their human rights to have society help look after them and ensure their safety

Sounds like you have something dodgy to hide. I'd be highly suspicious if met with such resistance.

Reading some of the posts in this thread and how captured and brainwashed posters are that they think it's 'neglect' not to have a HV sit on your doorstep and literally cruelty, I am so glad we live in Australia, too. I am actually sitting her with literally my mouth open gobsmacked at the rubbish I am reading on here. I thought the UK would be more sensible than this.

Under modifiable reasons, why is there no section for inadequate support and intervention at delivery. Many babies have died due to poor practice by health professionals. QEQM and Telford are just two examples. It seems surprising that the official figures do not quote those reasons in relation to death under one.

They become not voluntary when the parents seems a bit off - that’s when social services get called - when there is a concern

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Parents can lie at home, too. It makes no difference. All this is, is fascistic overreach. Are they going to visit at tea time, to make sure baby is being fed the right food at the right time, too? It's ridiculous. Such a disgusting waste of money with the problems NHS has. It now all makes sense why.

Good grief - would people rather go back to home births with no professional suport because sometimes the professionals fail ? That’s logic flaw

a system with checks may go wrong but will still have better outcomes am than a system with no checks

I’m glad they’ve ignored your rights.
children have rights too and people can harm them and neglect them. Seeing how someone lives can give you information or cause for concern.

What a privilege to have a free advisory service who come to your house and check on children’s welfare. That’s part of being a society, one size doesn’t fit all but they do it for the greater good.

More hyperbole. What is happening in the USA is fascism. The UK's policy of home visits by Health Visitors and midwifes is not.

Which civilised and developed first world country do you live in?

Absolutely embarrassing for an American to comment like this. You have to pay just to walk into a GP surgery, you can have a gun in your house that your child can take to school, and they force babies on women who don’t want them.

i spy with my little eye someone who voted for trump 🙄

Family and Child Nurses are the Australian equivalent of the UK’s HV and midwife service. My sister was a midwife here before relocating to Oz and she now works in the community with families and children. They absolutely do visit babies at home to begin with, before regularly appointments at a clinic.

It is not a privilege if the people doing the checks are not competent.

Nothing provided by the NHS is free. It is free at the point of delivery and funded by the people for the people.

The people have a collective responsibility to ensure that standards of support and clinical care are high standards and represent value for money. Nothing I have seen persuades me that this is the case.

It is an opt in service though, not an opt out one like in the UK. And you are not reported to Social Services for not opting into it.

Are there any circumstances where you would think that a home visit was acceptable and necessary? What if a baby showed signs of abuse and neglect?

The Victoria Climbie and baby P cases are largely why they will insist on home visits. These children were tortured to death by their relatives at home and no one knew as no one saw them. With the more recent Sara Sherif case those who are deregistering from schools will be subject to closer checks to try and prevent these child abuse cases from happening. You have put yourself on their radar by being so hostile about a home visit- you may as well put a sign on your head saying 'potential child abuser'. If you had allowed that first 15 min visit without a fuss you would have been left alone. An average of 78 children a year are killed by their parents in the UK. By being overly hostile you are waving more red flags than a communist parade as people who are abusing their children don't want authority figures involved therefore those who scream the loudest will be the ones they look closest at.

You will not get anywhere by mounting a campaign. The heath visitors just want to check that you are looking after your child rather than making then sleep on a urine soaked mattress, chained to a bed and eating dog food while being whipped with chains which was Victoria's life before she died. If it takes 1,000,000 annoying 15 min appointments to discover and save one Victoria then it is worth it frankly.

I'm sorry but you sound borderline unhinged. Just refuse the HV and move on with your life and focus on your baby.

There's no point trying to sue the NHS, they've done nothing wrong. It seems rather ungrateful to shun the help of well meaning professionals.

This is purely looking at the classification of child deaths, so it doesn’t include stillbirth or deaths during or as a result of birth, or deaths under 28 days unless there was a significant modifiable factor eg. neglect or accident. Or up to 60 days if that baby has remained a resident on a neonatal unit throughout their life. Those report in a separate category under (PMRT) perinatal mortality review tool. I didn’t include that data here because it has no relevance to OP’s situation.

The figures I have referred to are accurate - you can look them up on the national child mortality database. If you want to know more about PMRT, the 2023/2024 report is published online and you can find that here

If the Baby Clinic reported signs of abuse and neglect, then sure, I would understand a home visit then.

But that didn't help Baby P much, did it? So much for your system... We all heard about him here in Australia.

I honestly can't wrap my head around why you are making such an issue of this. It REALLY isn't worth so much headspace. Unless it's drama you're after, in which case, crack on

I don't think anyone will be able to help with that unfortunately.

My midwives were the most supportive, sweetest people and I couldn't have kept my sanity without them. They helped me breastfeed, they helped with my c-section when it got infected, they listened to me for ages when I needed to debrief my births... at a time when I was pretty lonely and depressed. They were life saviours for me. All the words of encouragement were also so needed.