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My wife is a loner and this is having a negative effect on me and my daughter

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DaddyKin · 23/08/2024 15:14

Dear parents/friends,

I am in a rather strange position and need some anonymous advise.
I am a very sociable person and I have been struggling to get along with my wife who happens to be a loner. She prefers spending time alone, all by herself and is not bordered about the consequences of that. Rather, she thinks it is the right thing to do because the world is 'evil'.
We have been married for 6 years, together for 8. From the start, she was not comfortable being around my mum and siblings, and I thought things would be better with time but that has just gone worse over the years. Sadly, my mum passed away not knowing why her daughter-in-law avoids her. Immediately after the funeral, she took down all pictures of my mum from our house and that's when I couldn't handle it and decided to ask what actually is the problem. Her excuses were that (1) my mum didn't get excited the first day i officially introduced her as my fiance; (2) I am the only nice person in our house, everyone else is weird. I thought these excuses were too silly and accused her of either not telling the truth about why she hates my family or she is just a trouble maker. This didn't go well.
Likewise, as the years went by, I noticed she withdraws from people, even the ones I thought were her friends, she calls them envious and stupid. Currently, in a city of over 700.000 people, she has no friend, she visits no one and no one visits her.
She doesn't like going out again with me to social gatherings (including other people's kids birthdays whereas we have a 3 year old); she doesn't show up even in my work functions; she stopped going to church. The last time she went to a networking event with me, she complained so much that we had to leave early. I felt like she went there on a fault finding mission, not a networking event.
When I try talking to her, she gets very defensive, accusing me of being too easy. She goes ahead to say she is a loner, she is comfortable with herself, she doesn't fit-in because she is different; and she doesn't need anyone's business in her life. At home, she is comfortable staying in the bedroom all day. If I don't go to chat with her, she won't join me in the lounge. It still feels nice when we get together, we easily get into each other's arms; however, I can't tell if she is being real or not; and I am beginning to loose feelings.
I find this very uncomfortable, because, in as much as I know her as an introvert largely due to growing up in a very controlled environment, it is negatively affecting my relationship with my family and social/networking life. I hardly attend social and networking events anymore because I don't want to be seen as the married man who is always alone. I have missed a few opportunities due to my absence which has been quite costly to me. I now stay away from family gatherings because I am tired of giving excuses for her absence (we are 6 siblings, all married, all come with their spouses).
This is affecting me negatively, i feel i'm being isolated from the world. This is not how I wanted to live my life, especially as this is not how it was at the start. I also think this is not a good experience for my 3-year old daughter (who will likely not be allowed to have friends if things continue like this). I have proposed therapy/counselling and she declined. I don't want my daughter to be a social miss-fit; I don't want difficult or breaking my home either; and I don't want to be isolated (my work is social-science inclined).

Please advise, thank you for reading and apologies for the long write-up.

OP posts:
Octavia64 · 23/08/2024 15:17

She hasn't changed.

She's always been like this.
Calling her a trouble maker will not have helped the situation.

Marrying someone in the hope they will change rarely works out.

You may need to socialise with your child yourself.

BonifaceBonanza · 23/08/2024 15:25

“Not wanting to be seen as a married man always alone”, this part is in your control and is a you problem not a her problem. So what if she doesn’t come to your work socials, that would be exactly the same as all the other men and women who attend alone for whatever reason.

“Tired of giving excuses for her absence”, again this is you. You are the one who feels awkward and has chosen to stop going as a consequence of that.

Since these examples are so similar I wonder if on some level it suits you to have less social interaction and that blaming your wife for your own choices makes this more acceptable to you?

Honestly I really mean that you are choosing not to do these things for your own reasons, and attempting to make it your wife’s problem, but why?

QuickMember · 23/08/2024 15:28

DaddyKin · 23/08/2024 15:14

Dear parents/friends,

I am in a rather strange position and need some anonymous advise.
I am a very sociable person and I have been struggling to get along with my wife who happens to be a loner. She prefers spending time alone, all by herself and is not bordered about the consequences of that. Rather, she thinks it is the right thing to do because the world is 'evil'.
We have been married for 6 years, together for 8. From the start, she was not comfortable being around my mum and siblings, and I thought things would be better with time but that has just gone worse over the years. Sadly, my mum passed away not knowing why her daughter-in-law avoids her. Immediately after the funeral, she took down all pictures of my mum from our house and that's when I couldn't handle it and decided to ask what actually is the problem. Her excuses were that (1) my mum didn't get excited the first day i officially introduced her as my fiance; (2) I am the only nice person in our house, everyone else is weird. I thought these excuses were too silly and accused her of either not telling the truth about why she hates my family or she is just a trouble maker. This didn't go well.
Likewise, as the years went by, I noticed she withdraws from people, even the ones I thought were her friends, she calls them envious and stupid. Currently, in a city of over 700.000 people, she has no friend, she visits no one and no one visits her.
She doesn't like going out again with me to social gatherings (including other people's kids birthdays whereas we have a 3 year old); she doesn't show up even in my work functions; she stopped going to church. The last time she went to a networking event with me, she complained so much that we had to leave early. I felt like she went there on a fault finding mission, not a networking event.
When I try talking to her, she gets very defensive, accusing me of being too easy. She goes ahead to say she is a loner, she is comfortable with herself, she doesn't fit-in because she is different; and she doesn't need anyone's business in her life. At home, she is comfortable staying in the bedroom all day. If I don't go to chat with her, she won't join me in the lounge. It still feels nice when we get together, we easily get into each other's arms; however, I can't tell if she is being real or not; and I am beginning to loose feelings.
I find this very uncomfortable, because, in as much as I know her as an introvert largely due to growing up in a very controlled environment, it is negatively affecting my relationship with my family and social/networking life. I hardly attend social and networking events anymore because I don't want to be seen as the married man who is always alone. I have missed a few opportunities due to my absence which has been quite costly to me. I now stay away from family gatherings because I am tired of giving excuses for her absence (we are 6 siblings, all married, all come with their spouses).
This is affecting me negatively, i feel i'm being isolated from the world. This is not how I wanted to live my life, especially as this is not how it was at the start. I also think this is not a good experience for my 3-year old daughter (who will likely not be allowed to have friends if things continue like this). I have proposed therapy/counselling and she declined. I don't want my daughter to be a social miss-fit; I don't want difficult or breaking my home either; and I don't want to be isolated (my work is social-science inclined).

Please advise, thank you for reading and apologies for the long write-up.

Your wife sounds a little bit like me, aside from pulling down photos of your mum. I’m introverted and grew up in an environment that contributed to a lack of trust and feeling weary around people. I wish I could offer you big suggestions as I can see you’re struggling with this and you’re right to be thinking of how this will impact your child. It also sounds like you sort of go through rejections by your wife in that you’re open and communicate with her, only for nothing to really progress. All I can say is to keep lines of communication open.

I do well with writing things down, would this work for your wife? There will never be a miracle, no massive change as I’m sure you already know and feel yourself. However, if you can, just don’t give up and don’t push. As for socialising your daughter, you’ll have to arrange for things to do together, ask your wife if this could involve her or if she prefers this to be dad/daughter time. Perhaps she may feel envious and join in one day. I think she’s very much still processing her past.

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cupcaske123 · 23/08/2024 15:32

She comes across as a recluse. There's no need for you to miss out on any social interaction, just go by yourself. Take your daughter to parties and play dates.

MyveryownFlyingSaucer · 23/08/2024 15:33

Sounds like you're not compatible anymore and not making each other happy.

Life is too short to be with the wrong person. Have you considered separating ? It might be healthier for your child as well to see two individuals being true to themselves rather than constantly compromising.

TomatoSandwiches · 23/08/2024 15:33

She's not really doing anything wrong ( apart from the pictures that was rude ) she prefers her own company... if these other things are Important to you then go to them but she's your wife not your employee, she doesn't have to go to these things.

BonifaceBonanza · 23/08/2024 15:33

Not really relevant to your question I suppose but I do wonder if your wife may be neurodivergent or suffering from a mental health issue

ManhattanPopcorn · 23/08/2024 15:34

Have you considered that she might be autistic?

Do a bit of reading on the subject and see if and if it sounds familiar.

Mrsttcno1 · 23/08/2024 15:36

I couldn’t live like that OP and I’m not surprised it’s bothering you so much, I’d feel exactly the same and it’s not a healthy environment or way to raise a child. If she will not seek help for this, you can only decide if it is how you want to live the rest of your life, I wouldn’t want to be with that person

TuVuoiFaLamericano · 23/08/2024 15:37

Being an introvert and enjoying one's own company is fine but it's not normal to stay in all the time because the world is "evil" 🙄 I'd be worrying about her mental health.

Mrsttcno1 · 23/08/2024 15:38

TomatoSandwiches · 23/08/2024 15:33

She's not really doing anything wrong ( apart from the pictures that was rude ) she prefers her own company... if these other things are Important to you then go to them but she's your wife not your employee, she doesn't have to go to these things.

Couldn’t disagree more with this. There’s a huge difference between “preferring your own company” and having absolutely no friends, not attending birthday parties with your own child, not leaving the house to do anything or speak to anyone, and not even sitting in the lounge with your own husband at home.

betterangels · 23/08/2024 15:39

Why are staying? What a waste of your life.

gamerchick · 23/08/2024 15:43

It doesn't sound as if she's happy inside her own head. Sitting in your bedroom all day and not wanting to go out might be delibertating anxiety or other mental health condition. I'd probably get someone in to have a chat with her.

InsensibleMe · 23/08/2024 15:48

BonifaceBonanza · 23/08/2024 15:25

“Not wanting to be seen as a married man always alone”, this part is in your control and is a you problem not a her problem. So what if she doesn’t come to your work socials, that would be exactly the same as all the other men and women who attend alone for whatever reason.

“Tired of giving excuses for her absence”, again this is you. You are the one who feels awkward and has chosen to stop going as a consequence of that.

Since these examples are so similar I wonder if on some level it suits you to have less social interaction and that blaming your wife for your own choices makes this more acceptable to you?

Honestly I really mean that you are choosing not to do these things for your own reasons, and attempting to make it your wife’s problem, but why?

Yes, mostly definitely all the man’s fault.

Mudflaps · 23/08/2024 15:50

To me it looks like your wife has some kind of mental health issue. I'm not sure how you can deal with it though, you can't force her to socialise but you do need to consider what is best for your daughter in the future. If you leave will she fight to keep your daughter? Are you willing to do 50/50? Will she cope with taking your daughter to pre school, school, sports, etc? Also please stop keeping this to your self, speak to your siblings, get their support, their involvement in your life could be very beneficial for your daughter.

Nobodywouldknow · 23/08/2024 15:50

I don’t get why you married her and had a child with her because you don’t seem compatible and someone that reclusive is probably not an ideal parent. I think maybe you should separate. She doesn’t sound that nice tbh.

suburburban · 23/08/2024 15:53

She is though because she has a dd to think of and her spouse. She is not parenting if she shuts herself in her room

Fair enough if she lived alone

Does she go out to work

Blackberriesandcobwebs · 23/08/2024 15:56

She does sound like she may have developed agoraphobia. Would she see her GP or a counsellor to see if there might be a way to alleviate her anxiety?

Sadly I had a dear friend who became like this and for whom the world seemed a very dangerous place after lockdown eased. She became even more insular, introverted and fearful and developed agoraphobia. She had very controlling and isolating parents when growing up and I think her mistrust of people, the world and her insularity has increased as she's aged. I also felt there might have been a mental health issue but didn't know enough about it to suggest how to help and she wouldn't see her GP. Her DC left home as soon as they could years ago and rarely go back, and her DH (who was their conduit to the outside world) sadly died. I tried to help her with her shopping etc and suggested counselling but she saw that as someone trying to control her thoughts. She stopped picking up my calls. She must be so unhappy and frightened but won't reach out for help and it's so sad that she's so scared that she's missed out so much.

Does she realise the impact of her behaviour on your DC? Does she want to get help? If she doesn't then you're stuck. Can you suggest counselling or would she talk to someone in your church?

Meadowwild · 23/08/2024 15:57

It's horribly controlling and insensitive or her to remove your mother's photos from the house after her funeral.

You need to make it very clear that her preferences do not override yours and if she loves and respects you then she must honour your love for your mother and put the photos back up in prominent places in the home.

As to socialising - just do it. DH is a recluse. I wasted years trying to get husbands of friends to befriend him, feeling bitterly sad that we never got invited anywhere as a family because he is hard work. Now I just socialise on my own, wirth friends, and I made sure DC had friends around for sleepovers and parties as often as they wanted. To be fair to DH he was very good at driving them around and picking up at silly times of night from parties, so they didn't miss out. He totally understands and respects that we have different social priorities from him.

itsgettingweird · 23/08/2024 15:59

I like my own company.

I'm a bit of an introvert.

But I'd never miss family events of a partner, I wouldn't refuse to take my ds to social events and I would attend a work event for my DH (although I avoid my own works nights out they aren't networking - just socials!).

So either she has some severe problems with MH (staying in your room all day is an indicator or depression) or you're not suited and she can't/won't give you a marriage - so you need to separate .

When your at work what does she do with your DD?
Does your dd go to any childcare?
Does your DW work?

Thestrawthatbrokeme · 23/08/2024 15:59

This is very extreme. I am an introvert with no friends and have MH issues and social anxiety. In saying that I still sit with and talk to my DH. I take my DC to parties and activities as much as I dread going to them. I do avoid his family as much as I can because they make my MH even worse. I dont think she will change and it will impact lt your DCs life.

itsgettingweird · 23/08/2024 16:00

Oh and the picture thing was cruel. I would have upped and left with my daughter at that point I think if I'm honest.

Nobodywouldknow · 23/08/2024 16:01

If you do separate, I would try to get custody for as much of the time as you can. This sort of behaviour from your DW will have a very seriously detrimental impact on your child. It’s really not normal to shut yourself away to this extent and by extension shut your child away too (by not taking them to activities and things).

LoneHydrangea · 23/08/2024 16:04

She sounds unbearable.

Do you really want to spend your life with her?

BonifaceBonanza · 23/08/2024 16:06

InsensibleMe · 23/08/2024 15:48

Yes, mostly definitely all the man’s fault.

I can’t tell if you are being sarcastic or not? Or what point you are trying to make?

OP has asked what he can do about a situation given that his wife isn’t going to change and that he isn’t seeking advice about leaving her.