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5 year old ate my Mother's Day chocs

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fishstiks · 16/03/2024 15:06

Just found DD has sneakily been getting my Mother's Day box of chocolates from my bedside drawer and has eaten 3 out of the box. We only allow sweets once a week and never have dessert. Obviously the temptation was too much! A few weeks ago she found a large bar of chocolate belonging to DH and ate more than half! When we found it she owned up straight away and we banned all sweet treats and chocolate for a week (no chocolate spread, no sweets or chocolate, no biscuits and no milkshakes)

Should I punish her for the latest chocolate stealing? Are we too strict overall with sweet stuff?

She's a really picky eater she survives on crumpets with sugar free chocolate spread (we only introduced the chocolate spread as she won't eat butter and then will eat no toast or crumpets etc) berries, tofu, rice, pasta and cucumber mostly.

Any advice on the picky eater stuff or appropriate discipline would be appreciated

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instantick · 16/03/2024 18:09

bless him

CestLaVie123 · 16/03/2024 18:09

Because this is using dessert as a reward for eating dinner and I thought your weren't supposed to do that

But if you give dessert after no dinner is eaten, isn't that "rewarding" poor food choices?
Personally I don't see my scenario as "using dessert as a reward for eating dinner" - it's simply the evening meal, with no "less healthy" food provided if the healthier part of the meal is not eaten.

spottedinthewilds · 16/03/2024 18:09

If she is eating Tofu are you vegetarian or vegan OP?

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fishstiks · 16/03/2024 18:10

I'm making dinner right now, steak with sweet potato and sweetcorn, avocado, lime salad. I will be serving her some plain pasta alongside that as well and we will all have Vienetta for dessert. I'll let you know how it goes.

This post was only ever intended to get other opinions on how best to deal with kids taking our stuff. I appreciate everyone's advice although I must admit I think most have misunderstood the entire situation as the topic took a bit of a swerve from what I originally posted about.

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CaptainCarrot · 16/03/2024 18:12

How long ago did you stop forcing her to eat things? If it was fairly recently, that could be part of the problem of her restricted eating. Even if it was a long time ago, it sounds quite traumatic for her and may have affected her relationship with food even if she doesn't consciously recall the forcing.

I would try to remove the emotion from anything related to food. I definitely wouldn't bargain with her (e.g., if you eat X then you can have Y) as that could backfire spectacularly. Of course you don't want her to subsist on a diet of biscuits and ice cream. And I think it's fine not to offer such things every day, though banning them outright would be a mistake IMO. In general, I would just continue to do what you are currently doing. Offer something she likes with every meal, include new foods that she can try or not (and say nothing about her choice to try them or not).

Also, can you rearrange the meals to some extent? Instead of an after school snack of a crumpet with chocolate spread, could you give her tofu and broccoli then? Or for breakfast? If she likes cold tofu, there's nothing wrong with having it for breakfast and it would be preferable to her current breakfast.

And I absolutely wouldn't punish her for "stealing" chocolate by restricting chocolate for a week. In fact, I wouldn't punish her at all.

fishstiks · 16/03/2024 18:12

spottedinthewilds · 16/03/2024 18:09

If she is eating Tofu are you vegetarian or vegan OP?

We are not veggie, we eat meat, she has always refused meat since she was tiny. We eat a varied diet and she always enjoyed tofu and it's not one of the only proteins she eats, she also eats halloumi and egg although recently been refusing egg

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livingwithamigraine · 16/03/2024 18:13

FFS a 5 year old doing what most 5 year olds do she nicked a chocolate let it go.
This is way over the top.
If you can have sweets and chocolate so can she.

EcstaticMarmalade · 16/03/2024 18:16

fishstiks · 16/03/2024 18:04

No I'm saying I've never shouted at my kids ever, my mother was shouted at by her mother and I got shouted at every day until I left home. I went into parenthood with my eyes wide open, aware I was abused and very aware to never let myself behave in the same way towards my kids, and I never have and I'm really proud of that.

I don’t think you’ve broken the abusive cycle. I think you’ve just shifted it from verbal abuse into other areas.

livingwithamigraine · 16/03/2024 18:18

EcstaticMarmalade · 16/03/2024 18:16

I don’t think you’ve broken the abusive cycle. I think you’ve just shifted it from verbal abuse into other areas.

I agree with this 100%

fishstiks · 16/03/2024 18:18

@EcstaticMarmalade yeah trying to get my daughter to not eat high sugar foods is abuse

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Georkkardnoir · 16/03/2024 18:18

restriction breeds obsession - you are making it the forbidden fruit. Add in little bits of sweet stuff here and there to show it’s no big deal. Food should not be used as rewards/treats. This is potentially setting your child up for eating disorders later on in life

Cas112 · 16/03/2024 18:20

Why are you allowed some and she's not? All in moderation is fine.

ShortColdandGrey · 16/03/2024 18:22

My sister was like this about chocolate with her kids. They used to do the same thing as your daughter, and one of them is the biggest chocoholic. My advice is to calm down and let them have some chocolate, or if they are not allowed it neither are you or your husband.

EarringsandLipstick · 16/03/2024 18:22

fishstiks · 16/03/2024 18:18

@EcstaticMarmalade yeah trying to get my daughter to not eat high sugar foods is abuse

But again, that's not what you are doing.

You allowed really poor eating for a long time, then you abruptly changed it so making treat foods really desirable.

You've then conflated this issue with her 'stealing' food & asking how she should be 'disciplined' (she's not stealing; and does not need to be disciplined).

I'm not sure the thread is giving you the help you need, I'd really suggest some professional support.

fishstiks · 16/03/2024 18:23

Cas112 · 16/03/2024 18:20

Why are you allowed some and she's not? All in moderation is fine.

Because I eat loads of fruit and veg, carbs, fat, protein, fibre

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KomodoOhno · 16/03/2024 18:24

yourlobster · 16/03/2024 15:18

It does sound like you're creating a big deal out of sweet foods so of course she goes looking for them. You can encourage healthy balanced eating without hiding or banning treats.

Agreed all this will do is make her determined to get to it at all costs.

Pinklanternspiral · 16/03/2024 18:24

My four year olds autistic. She has a limited diet and this becomes more restricted when she’s stressed.Some weeks it feels like my daughters existing off a diet of Ben and Jerrys, other weeks she’s fine.

Based on her needs your daughters diet is amazing . If she’s eating apples, tofu, rice etc she’s eating well.

fishstiks · 16/03/2024 18:25

Georkkardnoir · 16/03/2024 18:18

restriction breeds obsession - you are making it the forbidden fruit. Add in little bits of sweet stuff here and there to show it’s no big deal. Food should not be used as rewards/treats. This is potentially setting your child up for eating disorders later on in life

But previously, she was not restricted at all, she was served a wide variety of foods and would only eat the one containing high sugar. She was obsessed with the sugary foods before we ( very recently ) decided to stop serving her high sugar foods

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Gcsunnyside23 · 16/03/2024 18:26

You're being too tough about food and it's going to have the opposite effect than what you're hoping for

DrJoanAllenby · 16/03/2024 18:28

It sounds more and more that it's not about food at all but your desire to control her and do your bidding.

I doubt you'll click on a link so here is the article I found and which I hope you will read -

Parents controlling food: getting the balance right for happy eaters
Sarah Bushell 


Have you ever considered the HOW part of feeding? What you do at mealtimes when your child is eating? How you talk about food? The mealtime dynamic? If parents controlling food really matters?

HOW you feed your child is just as important as WHAT you feed them because they will learn from youu_, your manner and beliefs around food and what you say, do or don’t do.

Should parents be in control of their child’s food?
It’s a delicate balance when it comes to a parent’s role in their child’s eating habits.

Children, by nature, are still learning and are not good nutrition decision makers and need their parents guidance.

However, this guidance should not turn into parents controlling food strictly.

While parents should provide healthy options and educate their children about nutrition, it’s equally important to foster a sense of autonomy.

Allowing children to make choices within the healthy options presented to them helps them develop a sense of independence and a positive relationship with food.

This diplomatic parenting style approach empowers children to make good nutritional choices in the long run while avoiding the pitfalls of excessive control and food restriction.

Understanding Food Restriction
Understanding food restriction is vital in creating a healthy eating environment for children.

It’s a practice where parents control the type and amount of food their children consume.

Parents controlling food through restriction might seem beneficial when we’re talking about sweets and cake but it can lead to a child feeling deprived and potentially developing an unhealthy relationship with food.

This control can stem from concerns about nutrition or weight, but it’s important to recognise its potential drawbacks. Strict food rules can make eating a stressful experience, rather than a natural, enjoyable part of life.

It might lead children to feel anxious around food, or develop a sense of guilt or shame associated with eating certain foods. These negative associations can disrupt a child’s ability to listen to their body’s hunger and fullness signals, leading to overeating or undereating.

Understanding the Psychology of Forbidden Foods
When we tell children they can’t have certain foods, it can make them really curious about those foods.

It’s like when someone tells you not to do something, and you really want to do it.

This happens because children are learning to make their own choices.

If we say some foods are bad and they can’t have them, children might think about these foods a lot. Then, when they finally get these foods, they might eat too much of them.

But, if we let children have all kinds of foods in a normal way, they learn to enjoy them without thinking they are special or bad.

This helps children make good choices about what they eat, based on what’s healthy and what they like.

Consequences of Excessive Control
When parents are too strict about what their children eat, it can cause some problems straight away but also as they get older.

Children might start to argue more about food and feel stressed during meals.

They might also start hiding and eating foods they think their parents won’t like, which isn’t a healthy way to eat and can be linked to feeling shameful of what they are eating.

Being too controlling can make kids worry a lot about their food and body, which can have lifelong effects.

When parents can be more relaxed about food, letting kids try different things and decide when they are hungry or full they can learn to enjoy food in a healthy way.

That’s where knowing your food parenting style comes in.

What is food parenting?
Your food parenting style describes how you interact with your child around food, feeding and mealtimes.

Your style will influence your child’s relationship with food, their nutritional choices throughout their life, their food likes and dislikes, their eating habits and their ability to self-regulate appetite, eating because they are hungry and stopping when they are full.

Food parenting style can heal or harm and getting your food parenting right can prevent childhood eating problems such as fussy eating, overeating and even eating disorderss_.

How did I get my food parenting style?
Your food parenting style is influenced by your own childhood experiences of food and feeding.

Many parents inheritt_ how they feed their children from the way their parents fed them.

If you weren’t allowed to leave the table till you’d cleaned your plate, for example, you are more likely to overly encourage your own children to clean their plate too.

If your parent hid their own stash of sweets, because they were naughty or forbidden, you are more likely to restrict foods with your children too.

Our generationally inherited eating habits often came from a good place, for example if food was scarce, of course your parents wanted you to eat as much as they could provide, they probably weren’t sure when the next square meal was coming.

Or perhaps you were a skinny child and your mum was constantly worried that you were underweight and picking up bugs, what she did back then was likely fuelled by misinformation and desperation tactics.

Knowing your food parenting style can help you understand the way you deliver food messages to your child and the impact they might be having on them. It also helps you improve and become a better food parent.
What are the different Food Parenting styles?
There are four food parenting styles described in research, they are:
• Controlling
• Indulgent
• Uninvolved
• Diplomatic

It’s fair to say that all of us use all 4 styles of food parenting day-in, day-out but usually one is more dominant than the other.

Below the 4 styles are described, see if you can identify which one you tend to use most with your children.

Controlling
This is a strict food parenting style where the parent, rather than the child, makes decisions about what, when, or how much the child should eat.

It’s a ‘do what I say’ approach where the parent enforces rules around food and eating with high expectations of the child.

Parents who identify with the controlling food parenting style may:
• Pre plate their children’s food deciding on how much they want them to eat
• Ask them to eat a certain part of the meal “don’t forget to eat your broccoli”
• Tell them to ‘clean your plate’
• Withhold pudding unless they’ve eaten their dinner
• Re-present an uneaten meal later
• Reward good eating
• Restrict certain foods like sweets or chocolate

Children who are parented this way tend to lose sight of their hunger and fullness cues, they eat because they have been instructed to not because they are hungry.

They can go on to overeat and carry extra weight because they have lost their internal appetite regulation signalss_.

The controlling food parenting style can lead to fussy eating and in fact, make fussy eating worse, despite their parents intention being just wanting their child to eat well.

Indulgent
This is where parents almost always say ‘yes’ to whatever the child asks for, even if they’ve said no fifty times first.

Often if you were raised by parents who displayed the controlling food parenting style, you can go the opposite way and become an indulgent food parent with your own children.

Indulgent food parents may:
• Cook a new meal for their child because they’ve rejected their first meal.
• Let their child snack or graze all day.
• Allow their child to decide on what they want for dinner.
• Don’t have a daily routine for meals and snacks

Children raised by parents with the indulgent feeding style often have poor appetite regulation from constant grazing. They don’t know what it feels like to be hungry or full. As a result they can overeat and carry extra weight.

Often they are fussy eaters with a narrow range of accepted foodd_. We know that’s because they have been catered for with favourite foods. Knowing a preferred meal will follow a rejected one, children lack incentive to try new foods.

Children tend to eat more sweet and high fat foods than children parented in other ways and nutritional deficiencies can also occurr_. This includes foods such as sweets, crisps, chocolate, chips, cakes, biscuits, pastries, pies.

Uninvolved
This is a ‘hands off’ approach when it comes to food.

Parents are either very busy with no time to plan for food or perhaps are just not ‘foodie’ people and have little interest in shopping, cooking and serving food.

Uninvolved food parents tend to:
• Have no meal plan or menu
• Open the fridge and wonder what to cook for dinner tonight.
• Have no set times or a routine for meals and snacks
• Eat on the hoof, when hunger strikes.

To a child, this is chaos and unpredictable. Children thrive on routine and when there isn’t one they feel insecure. To compensate, food becomes a high priority for the child and they can end up hiding food, sneaking food and be thinking about food all the time.

Children who have been food parented in the uninvolved style can develop trust issues with their parents and can either go on to gain extra weight for over eating when the opportunities arise or become underweightt_ if scarcity of food is an issue.

Sadly this sometimes happens when there is not enough money for food available.

Diplomatic
These are parents who are more tuned in to their children’s needs and as a result, are more responsive.

They get the balance just right between setting boundaries and rules whilst allowing their child to make their own decisions around how much to eat.

A diplomatic food parent is in charge of what the food will be, when it will be served and where the child will eat. They will trust their child to eat however much they choose, and not intervene if they think it’s not enough.

This is called the Division of Responsibilityy in feeding, a philosophy created by dietitian and family therapist Ellyn Satterr.

A diplomatic food parent will:
• Have sensible boundaries and limits around mealtimes that are appropriate to the age and stage of their child.
• Respect their children’s food preferences when meal planning but appreciate their need to learn to like new foods.
• Have a predictable meal and snack schedule every day.
• Allows their child to self-serve their own portion size, with help with the lifting and scooping if needed.
• Have ‘fun foods’ like sweets, chocolates, cakes, biscuits, crisps etc regularly as part of a healthy eating plan.

This style of food parenting is optimal in supporting you to raise a healthy child as the research shows that children raised this way are less likely to gain too much weight, more likely to eat because they are hungry and not to deal with emotionss_, choose healthier options such as whole grains and fruit and veg.

Have you identified your Food Parenting style?
I hope this article helps you understand that HOW your feed your child is just as important as what you feed them, in fact I’d go as far to say its the missing link that we parents are just not told about, yet so important in helping them develop their future food relationship.

Sarah Almond Bushell, MPhil, BSc (Hons) RDRegistered Dietitian, Children’s Nutritionist and Feeding Therapist

ZipZapZoom · 16/03/2024 18:28

fishstiks · 16/03/2024 18:25

But previously, she was not restricted at all, she was served a wide variety of foods and would only eat the one containing high sugar. She was obsessed with the sugary foods before we ( very recently ) decided to stop serving her high sugar foods

You're ignoring the elephant in the room that you've implemented these new rules around food and also she's had another sibling in what sounds like very short amount of time...

CaptainCarrot · 16/03/2024 18:39

fishstiks · 16/03/2024 18:25

But previously, she was not restricted at all, she was served a wide variety of foods and would only eat the one containing high sugar. She was obsessed with the sugary foods before we ( very recently ) decided to stop serving her high sugar foods

But you've also forced her to eat at some points in the past. You said you went through "stages" of forcing her. So in her short life she's had various rules/approaches to eating. As I wrote above, try to remove all emotion from food. If she's regularly eating things like tofu, halloumi, apples, broccoli, her diet sounds fine. If you decide you don't want to serve something sweet every day, that's also fine. But blanket bans on whole categories of food aren't the way forward, as you've seen. Once the restriction was put into effect, your DD found ways to find the forbidden fruit. And your response was to punish her by restricting sweet treats even more. Relax about all of it. Forget about punishment and discipline where food is concerned.

StaunchMomma · 16/03/2024 18:41

Do you need to speak to her about stealing? Yes.

Do you you need to acknowledge that your stance on rare sweet things are causing your child to fixate on them? Also yes.

It's not great parenting to ban a child from eating chocolate/sweets because she stole some. All you're doing is encouraging her craving of it.

fishstiks · 16/03/2024 18:43

@CaptainCarrot thank you so much this is great advice I appreciate it

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EcstaticMarmalade · 16/03/2024 18:44

fishstiks · 16/03/2024 18:18

@EcstaticMarmalade yeah trying to get my daughter to not eat high sugar foods is abuse

Why did your grandma shout at your mum?
Why did your mum shout at you?
Was it because they enjoyed being abusive and hurting their child or was it was because they wanted to control a behaviour they didn’t like and they didn’t know any better?

You’re focussing on the behaviour which is utilised in attempt to control another person, rather than on the attempt to control instead. Your mother and grandmother used shouting as means of control. You are using restricting access to (safe) food as a way to control.

There a difference between instilling good behaviours and controlling another person.

So being genuinely protective, creating a safe and supportive environment, modelling good behaviour, teaching self regulation methods, providing information, teaching good habits, letting people make their own mistakes and learning from natural consequences are very different from punishing a child by restricting food, especially when they only have a limited range of safe foods and are obviously already confused and distressed by disordered behaviours around food within the home.

You are resorting to increasingly coercive techniques to control your daughter. You exhibit food hoarding behaviours yourself and punish your daughter when she eats something you’ve designated for yourself by restricting her access to food.

You create fairly arbitrary distinctions that would be difficult for a child of that age to fully grasp properly- sugar free chocolate spread is ok but chocolate isn’t, some sweet tasting foods (fruit, yoghurt) are ok but chocolate isn’t. Then you punish her when she doesn’t obey these rules, whilst saying that other people in the family are allowed to eat what they want because they have followed the rules (you say you’re allowed violate because you eat protein, carbs, fat etc). You’re expecting a small child to keep up with diet culture and then punishing her for not doing so.