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I don’t think I can forgive this

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Confusedhusband87 · 10/10/2023 18:06

Need advice more than ever- I want to be sure I’m not overreacting.

As my wife works away, my Mother in law comes down for a couple of days to help look after our son (3 years old) when he is not in nursery- this is something we have had in place for some time.

The relationship between my MiL and myself isn’t amazing (I had raised concerns about her struggling to look after our son and she took it badly and it lead to serious family conflict but that’s a whole other box of frogs)

Earlier this week, I arrived home to find my front door wide open, MiLs car gone , and our son Standing in the drive way visibly distraught and wet.

after I confirmed that MiL was not in the house (taking my son with me) i went to load my son into My car, which was nice and warm.

At that point my MiL drove up the drive way - When I asked her why she had left my son alone and that I had found him outside , she responded that she was sorry but she had told him she would only be a few minutes.

I did some quick maths and came to the conclusion that the nearest shop is 5 mins by car but factoring in getting there , getting the items and coming back, it was 15-20 mins at minimum.

as we went inside she nonchalantly apologies for “putting him in danger “ and went up stairs.

I later confronted her about it again, in a calm manner asking for an explanation.

MiL acknowledged my concerns, again, in a very nonchalant manner and informed me that she would would be leaving and would not be returning.

when I asked, why she didn’t just take him with her she replied “He didn’t want to come”

because I have previously been in a situation where it is my word against my Mil - I recorded the conversation- mainly for two reasons 1. To show my wife the odd behaviour, as I am partially convinced this is a health related thing and 2. To have some evidence about what was said to avoid any shenanigans later down the line.

she then approach my son and spoke to him as if she would never see him again then left.

I got quite angry inside as I felt this was MiL playing a bit of psychological game.
I have spoken to my wife and she will be speaking to her mum when she gets back.

personally I feel that what has happened is a step too far, and until I’m satisfied with an explanation, I will be looking to ensure my son is not left with MiL unsupervised.

to say that I am absolutely furious is an understatement - and MiL nonchalant- stroppy response has really set my teeth to grind.

im equally angry at myself …I saw things that concerned me over a year ago but when I tried to push it , I had MiL, BiL, and even wife telling me I was overreacting and that ultimately lead to a huge family rift.

I keep thinking of little James Bulger and how his parents would have never in a million years expected to experience what happened.

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Confusedhusband87 · 10/10/2023 20:37

Definitely not a drinker…I think the woman has had one sherry in about 5 years

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Confusedhusband87 · 10/10/2023 20:39

That’s what absolutely flummoxed me …did she actually expect a rational reply from a three year old ?

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Green321 · 10/10/2023 20:40

Totally irresponsible. Whatever the reason for her behaviour, you can’t let her look after your son alone again.

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needtonamechangeforthis1 · 10/10/2023 20:41

@FictionalCharacter that's not completely true I'm afraid. There may only be 2% diagnosed at that point - but signs and symptoms can be there for up to a decade before then. They are not recorded in statistics.

From what you have said @Confusedhusband87 I would suspect dementia or some form of cognitive function issue. It comes across as her possibly having a period of time where she may have been unaware of what she was doing or was making really irrational impulsive decisions. The fact she came back with only a couple of items would also suggest this. She may well have come to in the shop, realised what she had done and come back.

There is no question about the fact that she shouldn't be left responsible for your son again. But I would be concerned about her.

WowOK · 10/10/2023 20:42

I can see the shops from my house. I could nip to the shops and be back in under 5 minutes. I NEVER would. Nothing the shop has is worth jeopardising my kids safety for. Anything can happen. She could have had an accident. She could have got sick. The house could have burnt down. Someone could have come to the door. There are so many scenarios and a 3 year old wouldn't be able to manage any of them. I wouldn't leave her with DC ever again. I would actually question if she is unwell. Dementia come straight to my mind.

MammaTo · 10/10/2023 20:42

Jesus Christ she wouldn’t of seen the light of day if it was me.

PositanoBay · 10/10/2023 20:44

She must be bananas. Jesus she wouldn't be left near him again if it were me

Fummymummy · 10/10/2023 20:46

2 points really, firstly yes it could be a mental health issue such a dementia etc, but I have a family member who is like this and she has severe untreated ADHD. She is impulsive and takes risks that other people wouldn't, and doesn't take on board instructions, thinks she knows best and doesn't ever understand the ratifications of her actions unless something bad actually happens. Could some kind of neurodiversity also be a possibility? ADHD often goes undiagnosed especially in women and this is the sort of behaviour I've seen with severe untreated.

Secondly, how well can DS talk at his age? Can he recount what happened to help back you up? Can he remember how long grandma was gone for? "A long time" or not very long. Have you asked him what happened - and does it add up with what MIL said?

I also think you've massively underreacted, I would have been absolutely livid!!! would probably have reported her to social services and taken her off any emergency contacts or designated person responsibility for nursery pick ups etc too just for starters! x

CowboyJoanna · 10/10/2023 20:46

Oh my god thank goodness your son is okay OP!!!! Anything could've happened to the little mite

Don't let her near him EVER AGAIN

TheShellBeach · 10/10/2023 20:46

Confusedhusband87 · 10/10/2023 18:22

I agree - I would never seek to terminate contact between DS and MiL

Please can you tag people when you're posting in response to someone.

Blueblell · 10/10/2023 20:46

Just because she gave you a lucid answer doesn’t rule out the beginning of dementia ect. Lack of judgement is common and subtle changes in personality. I would keep it in mind as a possibility but the outcome has to be the same - you cannot trust her to look after your child.

Confusedhusband87 · 10/10/2023 20:48

@TheShellBeach apologies - thanks for the heads up

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Confusedhusband87 · 10/10/2023 20:49

@Blueblell i agree - the only difference is. If it’s medical I can find a reason to move on - if it’s not and just sheer negligence ? I’ll never speak to her again

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MeridianB · 10/10/2023 20:51

Good decision to have zero unsupervised contact with your son.

I highly doubt that this is the first time she’s done this, I’m afraid. It’s unforgivable. Hope your little boy is OK.

BlueSky2023 · 10/10/2023 20:51

Her behaviour is not that of a rational person.

  • Leaving a child on his own because he didn’t want to go.
  • deciding it was important to go and get flour even though it would mean leaving a child alone.
  • leaving child alone with unlocked door
  • behaving as if you did nothing wrong when questioned about it, clearly incapable of understandable what she did wrong.

Ad your wife has known her all her life she would be able tell if this is normal for her, her family may be in denial

BenjaminDisraeli · 10/10/2023 20:53

When I had a relative in the early stages of dementia, she didn't act crazy or super forgetful or wander about or anything. She just kind of 'checked out' of life - increasingly stopped caring about people, or decisions about anything, or how things looked to others. Little things like she'd just hold her hand out for a cup of tea, no please or thank you, which was way out of character. She carried on having a normal-ish life for a few years, and could pass the doctor's tests, but we all knew something wasn't right. You can spot it in others once you've experienced it.

So I would definitely consider that with your MiL. The fact that she didn't seem too bothered by her actions could be interpreted as unforgiveable, criminal etc, but unless she's always been an uncaring cow - in which case I'm sure you wouldn't even have considered leaving DS with her - it sounds like it could very well be the early stages of dementia.

UnfortunateTypo · 10/10/2023 20:54

I’m so sorry you had this happen, you just have been so scared. I hope your little boy is ok? My MIL had early onset dementia, by 69 she was really bad. But in the early years when she was in her 50s, she would do/say things but not seem to understand the consequences. It was like she didn’t understand danger anymore.

I never allowed her to look after DD after the worst incident. A family friend with their toddler came over to MIL’s for a visit. The toddler somehow got into the garden and MIL didn’t think to mention there was a large pond in the garden. Of course the toddler ended up in the pond and was thankfully found quickly. MIL thought this was just hilarious rather than insanely dangerous. She just didn’t understand why anyone would be upset and bought that everyone was overreacting. So I could totally see her doing what your MIL did.

I think whatever happened before that the rest of the family silenced you about should be looked at again in this new light.

Hihey · 10/10/2023 20:54

minipie · 10/10/2023 18:20

Being kind I would say it has clearly been a long time since she had sole charge of a small child and has forgotten what is and isn’t appropriate.

Nonetheless there is not a chance she’d be having sole charge ever again.

I would explain what happened to your wife and let her explain it to her mother tbh. It would be nice for DS to keep seeing his grandmother (but not solo) so hopefully she can patch things up whilst also drawing a line.

My grandparents are in their mid 70s so not much older than OP's MIL. They never left me alone (as a young child) when they baby sat.

EducatingArti · 10/10/2023 20:59

My mum did similar to me when I was 4. She needed to nip to the shops, took my baby sister with her but left me behind. I have vague memories that I was ill (maybe not dressed?) and she wanted to be really quick.She told me she would only be 15 minutes but I didn't really know how long that was.
I still remember how traumatised I felt. Mum was surprised that I was crying my eyes out when she returned.
This was in the 1960s!

Justgorgeous · 10/10/2023 21:00

You sound very calm ??

FictionalCharacter · 10/10/2023 21:00

Confusedhusband87 · 10/10/2023 20:49

@Blueblell i agree - the only difference is. If it’s medical I can find a reason to move on - if it’s not and just sheer negligence ? I’ll never speak to her again

You might never know though, or you might not know for years whether she has some kind of disorder. Surely it’s best to take your focus of her, and just be coolly polite when you have to see her (if you do have to see her!).

cartagenagina · 10/10/2023 21:03

I wonder how many other times she has done this, or what else has been happening while she is supposed to be looking after DS?

Her reaction sounds more like a personality disorder than dementia, but the main thing is that your little boy is safe and will never be left in her care again.

Confusedhusband87 · 10/10/2023 21:04

@Justgorgeous I want to keep a level head and do this right - I don’t emotion to cause me to make a mistake in all of this

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Lsquiggles · 10/10/2023 21:05

I don't have anything helpful to add I just wanted to say I'm so sorry this happened and I hope you're doing okay, that must have been a gut wrenching experience

Boundoverbyacat · 10/10/2023 21:08

You sound a bit odd op

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