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I don’t think I can forgive this

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Confusedhusband87 · 10/10/2023 18:06

Need advice more than ever- I want to be sure I’m not overreacting.

As my wife works away, my Mother in law comes down for a couple of days to help look after our son (3 years old) when he is not in nursery- this is something we have had in place for some time.

The relationship between my MiL and myself isn’t amazing (I had raised concerns about her struggling to look after our son and she took it badly and it lead to serious family conflict but that’s a whole other box of frogs)

Earlier this week, I arrived home to find my front door wide open, MiLs car gone , and our son Standing in the drive way visibly distraught and wet.

after I confirmed that MiL was not in the house (taking my son with me) i went to load my son into My car, which was nice and warm.

At that point my MiL drove up the drive way - When I asked her why she had left my son alone and that I had found him outside , she responded that she was sorry but she had told him she would only be a few minutes.

I did some quick maths and came to the conclusion that the nearest shop is 5 mins by car but factoring in getting there , getting the items and coming back, it was 15-20 mins at minimum.

as we went inside she nonchalantly apologies for “putting him in danger “ and went up stairs.

I later confronted her about it again, in a calm manner asking for an explanation.

MiL acknowledged my concerns, again, in a very nonchalant manner and informed me that she would would be leaving and would not be returning.

when I asked, why she didn’t just take him with her she replied “He didn’t want to come”

because I have previously been in a situation where it is my word against my Mil - I recorded the conversation- mainly for two reasons 1. To show my wife the odd behaviour, as I am partially convinced this is a health related thing and 2. To have some evidence about what was said to avoid any shenanigans later down the line.

she then approach my son and spoke to him as if she would never see him again then left.

I got quite angry inside as I felt this was MiL playing a bit of psychological game.
I have spoken to my wife and she will be speaking to her mum when she gets back.

personally I feel that what has happened is a step too far, and until I’m satisfied with an explanation, I will be looking to ensure my son is not left with MiL unsupervised.

to say that I am absolutely furious is an understatement - and MiL nonchalant- stroppy response has really set my teeth to grind.

im equally angry at myself …I saw things that concerned me over a year ago but when I tried to push it , I had MiL, BiL, and even wife telling me I was overreacting and that ultimately lead to a huge family rift.

I keep thinking of little James Bulger and how his parents would have never in a million years expected to experience what happened.

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Slav80 · 10/10/2023 20:06

Oh god, OP, I would have ended that relationship there and then, I wouldn't have cared about family politics or whatnot, my god, the things that could have gone wrong in that situation... it makes me physically sick thinking about it. I have a 2 year old and the thought of her being left alone absolutely terrifies me. Your MIL sounds mentally unwell, could it be dementia? No one in their right mind would do that!

FortheBeautyoftheEarth · 10/10/2023 20:07

There is nothing I can say OP different to anyone else. But I do hope you are able to make another arrangement asap and hopefully your wife will be on board with it this time. I am so sorry this has happened, your poor little boy must have felt so abandoned and frightened. It sounds like a very unhealthy and strange dynamic with the wider family also, time to draw some very firm boundaries I think.

Wishingwell57 · 10/10/2023 20:07

I am open mouthed at this. Please don't let your mother-in-law look after your child again. Unbelievable that anyone could think this is ok.

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Confusedhusband87 · 10/10/2023 20:07

I initially thought it could be early onset dementia or something but as others have pointed out , she was completely lucid and readily admitted to what she did and that it wasnt right

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FictionalCharacter · 10/10/2023 20:08

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Just happened to have the phone ready: Most people have their phone on them these days surely?

Why is your wife away: OP explained that his wife is working away.

GP check: nobody gets a GP check for a child that’s been in the rain for a few minutes in warm weather. Totally unnecessary. OP took him into the car to warm up, which was fine.

What about checking if MIL is ok: why should he?! OK in what way? She drove to the shops and back OK, came into the house, brushed off his concerns and left. She isn’t his responsibility, his son is.

nobody leaves a 3 year old outside on their own in the rain: He didn’t say she did. He said the door was wide open. She most likely left him in the house and he went out looking for her.

If you’re going to doubt a story - and we all know there’s a lot of fiction on MN - at least pick genuine holes in it.

WhiteArsenic · 10/10/2023 20:09

It may be some time before you know whether it’s dementia or not. When I look back at my dad, who was diagnosed with dementia 8 years before he died, I can see with hindsight little odd behaviours which were probably the early signs, maybe 15 years before the diagnosis? And dementia can be very subtle in how it affects the brain at first, absolutely causing odd errors of judgement. My dad made some very odd decisions about family jewellery etc, which were a lot less important than leaving a 3 year old alone but similarly interspersed with otherwise normal actions.
As pp have said, in practical terms it doesn’t matter anyway. There is no possible justification for what she did and no doubt that she did it. She can’t be left in charge of him any more, irrespective of what she says about it now. And I guess you will just have to hold that line while everyone figures out what’s going on here. If everyone else doesn’t immediately agree that this is the only rational thing to do, then that also needs thinking about as to why they think that, because it’s so clearcut that any normal group of people would surely agree without hesitation, like we all are now.

Illbebythesea · 10/10/2023 20:09

Holy shit. Awful. Just be thankful OP that you came home when you did… if you hadn’t, you may have never known & she could have done it again and again until he really came to harm. He is safe, he is well & she will not be put in a position of trust again.

Canonlythinkofthisone · 10/10/2023 20:10

SallySunrise · 10/10/2023 18:14

She left a 3 year old home alone, AND he was able to get out of the house??

I applaud your restraint, I would have absolutely lost my shit if that was my child.

I would never ever let her have him unsupervised again, not even if she apologised profusely and begged.

This with fucking bells on.

She needs to sort help for her medical condition (surely the ONLY explanation for this?!)

And you need to make sure you're child is never alone with this woman. The things that could have happened dont bear thinking about!

Confusedhusband87 · 10/10/2023 20:10

That she will not. Riot act is getting read

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ironorchids · 10/10/2023 20:10

Write down what happened and what she, your son and you did and said while you remember.

It may be useful later when the denial happens to have a record of exactly what was said and done.

Confusedhusband87 · 10/10/2023 20:12

I agree , That’s why I recorded my conversation with her when I asked her about why she did what she did.

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Mumtobabyhavoc · 10/10/2023 20:12

Sounds like mental health/dementia. That must've been a very scary situation. I hope you can put some rules in place now and your wife will be onboard. Also hope things get sorted with your mil. 🤞

Miyagi99 · 10/10/2023 20:12

Confusedhusband87 · 10/10/2023 18:16

That’s one of my lines of thought - she is 69 , so it could well be. (No offence to 69+) out there.

Could easily be Alzheimer’s, can begin in your 50s. Sorry this happened to you and your son.

Janiie · 10/10/2023 20:13

Confusedhusband87 · 10/10/2023 19:59

You know something? You are right …I had concerns before and I let my wife’s family bully me into silence.

never again.

Why, what is the back story here is she some overbearing horror who has bullied and coerced them all or are they just stupid?

Child safeguarding is a very basic requirement when looking after a toddler. Your in-laws should be thanking you for not calling the police. As I said your wife needs to ring her up and bollock her and you need to keep her at arms length from your dc

Acornsoup · 10/10/2023 20:13

I would def get my DC checked if they were in their own for an undisclosed amount of time at 3 years old.

Who goes from competent care giver to mid/late stage dementia in a day? Unless they've had a stroke or some other catalyst event.

The child's mother and family believe the MIL version of truth in a previous occasion.

The phone was ready for the the accusation!

I just find it really unbelievable. Sincerely hope I am wrong.

What is the plan OP. What happens next?

FictionalCharacter · 10/10/2023 20:15

ironorchids · 10/10/2023 20:10

Write down what happened and what she, your son and you did and said while you remember.

It may be useful later when the denial happens to have a record of exactly what was said and done.

Absolutely do this.

Regarding all the suggestions of dementia, the incidence in 65 to 69 year olds is only 2%, but it’s constantly suggested on here as an explanation for any stupid or unpleasant behaviour in a person over 60. She doesn’t sound at all confused to me, if anything she sounds defiant. Anyway it really is a red herring here - whatever the cause, she isn’t fit to look after any child.

Orange67 · 10/10/2023 20:16

I would NEVER leave my child unsupervised with this person again, dementia or no dementia.

uuughhhshsh · 10/10/2023 20:17

Honestly I would phone the police. Right now. She seriously endangered a child in her care.

Confusedhusband87 · 10/10/2023 20:18

What happens next ? There will be absolutely no more unsupervised contact between DS and MiL - that is an absolute.

moving forward I will be seeking alternatives- such as paying for more nursery days if any are available , or speaking to my mum

maybe a police back ground checked sitter /nanny ?

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Tapasita · 10/10/2023 20:18

Jesus 🫢🫢🫢 The terrible possibilities

No more babysitting for her

Tapasita · 10/10/2023 20:19

Yes a properly registered childminder, with good ofsted rating

Pumpkinspice12 · 10/10/2023 20:19

How has your wife reacted? I hope she's as angry as you are

Confusedhusband87 · 10/10/2023 20:19

She did , but that would destroy everything …I think No further unsupervised contact between DS and MiL is enough

also, she has to live knowing what she did.

I think that’s punishment enough

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Lifeomars · 10/10/2023 20:20

I could never forgive this, how she could even contemplate it let alone do it is beyond me

Confusedhusband87 · 10/10/2023 20:21

I think my wife is furious ..the proof will be when my wife confronts her mother.

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