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If I can’t leave my baby to cry then what am I supposed to do here???!

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parpsb · 29/09/2023 08:45

Everything I read online says you cannot leave your baby to cry. I obviously have always tried to avoid this. He’s now 10 months and goes absolutely crazy if I am not with him. He does sleep at night but in the day it is non stop. I can’t cook or eat or shower. My partner works away in the week and this can’t be changed. No family nearby and nobody local to help unless we paid.

What am I supposed to do? Even if he’s in his high chair and I start cooking he will lose it, wants to get out, then I take him to the playpen and go back to cook and again he’s screaming, howling. I just want to disappear.

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Namddf · 03/10/2023 21:43

I find it so interesting (and sad) that the posts talking about attachment parenting and ‘clingy’ babies talk almost exclusively about the needs of the child. This might harm them so we don’t do that; crying is ok for a short time; cuddling them whenever they cry is good for their brain development; you can’t spoil a child with love…

Where are the mother’s needs in this? Chronic stress is as bad for adults as is it for babies. No baby ever thrived with an exhausted mother. I have 3 DC and I have never, ever found myself having to make a packed lunch ffs.

greengreengrass25 · 03/10/2023 21:47

Namddf · 03/10/2023 21:43

I find it so interesting (and sad) that the posts talking about attachment parenting and ‘clingy’ babies talk almost exclusively about the needs of the child. This might harm them so we don’t do that; crying is ok for a short time; cuddling them whenever they cry is good for their brain development; you can’t spoil a child with love…

Where are the mother’s needs in this? Chronic stress is as bad for adults as is it for babies. No baby ever thrived with an exhausted mother. I have 3 DC and I have never, ever found myself having to make a packed lunch ffs.

I'm of the same mind with 3 dc close together

I think things change but there was no way I was having my dc in a sling all the time or on my lap in the toilet

SnowflakeCity · 04/10/2023 00:29

Namddf · 03/10/2023 21:43

I find it so interesting (and sad) that the posts talking about attachment parenting and ‘clingy’ babies talk almost exclusively about the needs of the child. This might harm them so we don’t do that; crying is ok for a short time; cuddling them whenever they cry is good for their brain development; you can’t spoil a child with love…

Where are the mother’s needs in this? Chronic stress is as bad for adults as is it for babies. No baby ever thrived with an exhausted mother. I have 3 DC and I have never, ever found myself having to make a packed lunch ffs.

Personally, I wasn't stressed or exhausted. I actually enjoyed the baby/toddler stage even though she was a cling on. I became remarkably good at doing everything one handed, developed the best arm muscles if my life and enjoyed being close to dd while it lasted. Just like all babies are different mums are different too. You can't assume just because something wouldn't have worked for you it wouldn't work for everybody. I would have found it far more stressful listening to my dd cry while I cooked or ate my dinner than I did balancing her on my hip or knee.

To echo your post, I had 2 children and never had to leave them cry while I did basic things, I've got 2 hands ffs.

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ChaosAndCrumbs · 04/10/2023 07:07

Namddf · 03/10/2023 21:43

I find it so interesting (and sad) that the posts talking about attachment parenting and ‘clingy’ babies talk almost exclusively about the needs of the child. This might harm them so we don’t do that; crying is ok for a short time; cuddling them whenever they cry is good for their brain development; you can’t spoil a child with love…

Where are the mother’s needs in this? Chronic stress is as bad for adults as is it for babies. No baby ever thrived with an exhausted mother. I have 3 DC and I have never, ever found myself having to make a packed lunch ffs.

I wasn’t sad in the baby phase. Well, I was after the newborn phase for the first year with my ds because he was seriously ill and it was a battle to get doctors to take me seriously, but I couldn’t do anything that reassured him enough to stop him crying (apart from carry on pushing doctors to listen and compile as much as possible to get them to see)because it was down to pain. I wasn’t sad I had to cuddle him, I was sad he was in pain. He nearly died and finally that alongside tests resulted in his diagnosis and he had an operation, which meant he survived and was no longer in severe pain and it was a revelation to have him finally pain free. With my dd, yes she was a baby who wanted to be close (but not in a sling, even though ds loved his sling), but I wasn’t sad at all. I was very happy to cuddle her and happy she was in the main a very happy baby. She’s still cuddly as a toddler and that’s lovely and I still don’t feel sad or like my needs aren’t met.

It doesn’t mean the mother doesn’t have needs. The same hormones are released for the mother (and any other adult) during cuddles and loving touch, it’s a response from both. I don’t think most mums make a packed lunch, but equally most mums do things that make it easier for them personally and that mum chose to make lunch earlier because it was easier for her. That is meeting her needs through a way she chose, it doesn’t mean everyone chooses the same. I don’t quite see why it’s seen in such a black and white way. To meet needs doesn’t have to be exclusive for either. We were talking about the needs of the child because that’s what the OP referred to - whether leaving to cry would harm the baby. The answer is no, not in a loving relationship where needs are met for a short time. Equally, that doesn’t mean all of the mother’s needs are obliterated.

The only time my needs weren’t met was during DS’ first year and that was down to his illness itself making it harder and also just trying to juggle appointments (often long journeys to different hospitals), inpatient stays, GPs not reading specialist letters etc and therefore not treating correctly, a and e visits and compiling notes to help as well as letters (often we’d turn up and a letter hadn’t arrived from prev doctor but we’d received a copy). I’d say it’s pretty normal for parents to struggle with their own needs when a child is really ill, so I don’t think that’s unusual.

I am an adoptee, so my perspective may be a bit different. I wanted my parenting to be based around my children, but not at the expense of giving them a happy, well adjusted mum.

Samlewis96 · 04/10/2023 09:06

SnowflakeCity · 03/10/2023 16:32

Because she didn't want to? I never left dd to cry(she was clingy ds wasn't), I carried her everywhere with me, she was attached to my hip. I didn't mind though, I knew it would be for a short period of time and it was. She is 14 now and I haven't carried her anywhere in years Wink

I presume its only babies of SAHM who get carried around like this constantly. Can't imagine many childcare providers wearing them on slings or never having a free hand to look after their other charges

midgemadgemodge · 04/10/2023 09:08

I'd love to know how you hold a crying bay whilst wiping your backside

That use of the hyperbole "never" marks you out as not telling the whole truth somewhere

Namddf · 04/10/2023 14:00

SnowflakeCity · 04/10/2023 00:29

Personally, I wasn't stressed or exhausted. I actually enjoyed the baby/toddler stage even though she was a cling on. I became remarkably good at doing everything one handed, developed the best arm muscles if my life and enjoyed being close to dd while it lasted. Just like all babies are different mums are different too. You can't assume just because something wouldn't have worked for you it wouldn't work for everybody. I would have found it far more stressful listening to my dd cry while I cooked or ate my dinner than I did balancing her on my hip or knee.

To echo your post, I had 2 children and never had to leave them cry while I did basic things, I've got 2 hands ffs.

I agrée that all mums are different. Some mind having a baby strapped to them all the time more than others.

The problem comes when attachment parenting is peddled as the ‘right’ way. There’s a lot on social media, esp Instagram, that does pile the guilt on mums who either can’t or just don’t want to parent this way.

I never really had to leave my babies to cry, and I honestly put that down to the fact that they learnt self-soothing from quite an early age. I would put them in their cot while I had a shower from an early age and - crucially - they learnt that I would always come back. That made them content and confident. I didn’t have to wear them in a sling all the time because they were confident I was around. When I cooked they would be in a high chair or baby bouncer near me and if they grizzled then I knew it wasn’t because they were scared. I was right there.

I agree that you can’t ‘spoil’ a baby with love, but I do think that by having your baby strapped to you and with you at all times you can create a baby with separation anxiety because it’s never left alone. Same with dogs that are never left - they don’t develop those skills.

And I’m sorry, but I do think having to sit on the toilet with a baby on your lap is a lack of self care.

Parker231 · 04/10/2023 14:06

Do people not use playpens now - DT’s are early 20’s so perhaps everything has changed. I put them in the playpen (if we were downstairs) or their cots when upstairs. Never used a sling or took the bouncers into the bathroom.
They often cried but it meant I could cook, shower etc. They started full time nursery when they were six months old so they couldn’t be carried all the time there.

Namddf · 04/10/2023 14:15

Samlewis96 · 04/10/2023 09:06

I presume its only babies of SAHM who get carried around like this constantly. Can't imagine many childcare providers wearing them on slings or never having a free hand to look after their other charges

Exactly. I love the contradictions on MN. You must never leave your baby’s side - but you must also go back to work ASAP to ensure you build your own career and do not rely on your partner.

Pretty sure nursery staff don’t give a shit if your baby cries.

Manthide · 04/10/2023 16:19

SnowflakeCity · 03/10/2023 16:34

What do you think is going to happen to him because he is picked up and cuddled? Maybe she feels that her needs weren't responded to enough so is trying to break the cycle?

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I can't believe my post led you to conclude I was a neglectful parent who ignored their child's needs! And my child has to break the cycle! Of course if my dd picks up her ds at the slightest cry he will come to expect it and not learn to deal with the problem himself. I have 4dc and they were certainly not left to cry for hours but they also knew I had to do essential jobs and sometimes they had to entertain themselves.

SouthLondonMum22 · 04/10/2023 16:49

Parker231 · 04/10/2023 14:06

Do people not use playpens now - DT’s are early 20’s so perhaps everything has changed. I put them in the playpen (if we were downstairs) or their cots when upstairs. Never used a sling or took the bouncers into the bathroom.
They often cried but it meant I could cook, shower etc. They started full time nursery when they were six months old so they couldn’t be carried all the time there.

I do but from previous threads, I think we are very similar. I'm not a fan of the Sarah Ockwell Smith hype personally which seems to be the big thing right now.

DS is 10 months and he has a playpen, cot (no co-sleeping) and if I need the toilet he has never come with me. No slings either and he started full time nursery at 3 months.

SnowflakeCity · 04/10/2023 17:37

Manthide · 04/10/2023 16:19

I can't believe my post led you to conclude I was a neglectful parent who ignored their child's needs! And my child has to break the cycle! Of course if my dd picks up her ds at the slightest cry he will come to expect it and not learn to deal with the problem himself. I have 4dc and they were certainly not left to cry for hours but they also knew I had to do essential jobs and sometimes they had to entertain themselves.

I was being facetious because you were shitting on your daughter's parenting because of your lack parenting knowledge. Responding to your child doesn't work the way you think it does.

greengreengrass25 · 04/10/2023 17:41

@Manthide

I have to agree with you.

Same with my dd - rod for your own back springs to mind

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