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MIL kicked us and preschool children out of holiday villa abroad

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Mamma41 · 13/09/2023 07:23

This is my first post and apologises in advance of the length of it.

At the beginning of August DH and our 3 boys aged 4, 2 and 8 months were invited by our MIL & FIL to spend a week with them in a holiday villa in Spain they had rented. The Villa was hired for two weeks. The previous week they had my BIL and his two sons aged 3.5 and 7 stay with them. They see their other grandchildren 4-5 times a week as they live local to them.

For context DH & I look after our children with no help from any family. We live close to my mother but she's 74 and is not able to help us look after our young boys.

My father died last year and his death devastated me. My eldest son was very close to him. He doesn't have the same relationship with FIL as he doesn't see him as much but I had hoped they would become close on holiday.

Anyway, whilst on holiday my PIL continually criticised my parenting of the boys and their personalities. I should add I work Full Time, 40 hours per week in a very demanding profession. We have a nanny to look after our boys whilst I'm at work. I do all the cleaning, house hold chores whilst working and looking after the boys. DH does the weekly shop and cooking. My eldest has just started school last week. DH and I haven't been on holiday for 5 years (our honeymoon) prior to going away this year. We were both really looking forward to the break and both needed time to have together too.

So on holiday FIL tells me my 2 year old son has "no balls". He constantly cries and I immediately go to him when he does. I treat him like a baby. My 4 year old is oversensitive and doesn't talk loudly enough when my FIL tries to interact with him. I still talk to him like he's a baby. I talk to myself all the time! No one needs to hear what I'm doing and about to do! For context I tell my 4 year old what I'm doing and why I can't play with him at that exact time as I'm helping the younger two, sorting out things or tidying up! I also talk out loud in the hope someone may offer to help me as it's clear I'm doing loads!

DH and I were able to go out one night and when I asked PIL if we could go out to lunch one day together too they said no as its too hard looking after our children, despite them always sleeping in their afternoon because of their young ages. Four year old would be the only one awake and would play on his iPad.

Anyway, they played with the boys in the pool for one hour whilst I lay down and my husband was asleep in bed. They said it was too much and I shouldn't have left them with them. My MIL is 67 and FIL is 65. FIL has mobility issues but is a very overweight large man and likes to eat and drink whilst MIL runs around doing everything. He's a very opinionated, outspoken man. MIL is also very opinionated. However, prior to this holiday we haven't spend too much time together as we only see them 3-4 times a year.

Previously, I have always got on well with them both hence why I was shocked by the hostility towards me and our children on this holiday. It got to Thursday eve. We arrived Sat morning. We stayed in to play a game and they had run out of alcohol. They are both heavy drinkers whereas DH & I drink in moderation. This eve we had 1 glass of wine each then went to get them more alcohol from the local shop. When I returned we played a game whilst the children were all in bed. All holiday DH & I sorted out the children. MIL cooked and did the washing. FIL did very little as usual.

Anyway, as the evening progressed FIL kept making belittling comments towards me over the game. It got to a point where DH had enough and told him not to be so controlling, demeaning etc he had done it all week about my parenting, saying things about the boys, he should just stop and play the game. DH & I already agreed when we were out we would play one game and go to bed as we
Weren't enjoying his parents company on holiday.

FIL takes offence to the way DH has spoken to him. DH proceeds to give his Dad some home truths about the way he is and made him feel growing up. DH has bottled up these feelings for years. Out of nowhere FIL offers him a punch up! This literally all came out of no-where! DH said no and that's ridiculous! DH has started swearing in all this as he's so wound up and frustrated by his parents. MIL didn't intervene and wanted me to step in! I said she should listen to what her son is saying.

DH has always had confidence issues which I never understood as he's a big, gentle giant who I think is very good looking and was surprised he wasn't arrogant like most men when we met. Anyway, from spending a week with his Dad I now fully understand his confidence issues. FIL then threatened to call the police as DH was swearing at him and told us to get out of the Villa. FIL was constantly goading him, laughing in his face, trying to do anything possible to provoke my husband to fight him.

So we literally had to go inside, pack up all of our things, the baby milk, food, wake our young children, put them into the hire car and leave. MIL at no point intervened to say this is silly, everyone should go to bed and discuss it like adults in the morning. It was 1am she handed me all our wet washing and then we left.

I felt sick, the children were crying, we were in a foreign country with no where to go. We went to two hotels who wouldn't accept us as it was 1am and who would accept a family of 5 at that hour!

We drove to the airport, waited 4 hours, with hungry, upset children to be told we couldn't get a flight home until the following morning despite seats being available on their morning flight as a computer glitch meant we couldn't get booked on. We ended up driving to a budget hotel and staying their for the remainder of the holiday until our flight home the following day. My eldest son was constantly crying saying he just wanted to go home.

The only texts we received from them was about MIL missing mobile phone which DH threw into a hedge when his father said he was going to call the police!

So it's so many weeks later. DH never wants to see them again. I feel sorry things have ended like this but I don't understand any grandparents that could throw their own grandchildren out in the middle of the night. I think they expected us to leave them at the Villa but why would we when they are our children and we would never go anywhere without them. Plus all week they said they couldn't look after them when we asked them to babysit for us & had said awful things about them.

I've spoken to friends, family & my nanny who all said there's nothing wrong with my parenting. My boys are all happy, well looked after, we have no conflict at our home so this is very extreme for them to have witnessed.

So are we being unreasonable to cut all ties? To be fair I think they'd had enough from looking after their other grandchildren the week before and really couldn't be bothered with us and ours. It's clear they should have never invited us if it was too much for them to even have us around.

OP posts:
Robinni · 13/09/2023 14:27

@Mamma41 it seems this has been a massive learning experience for you.

  1. Do not go on holiday with people who have a known history of contentious family relations and alcohol fuelled arguments.

  2. You are parents of three children. You do not get a day off or relaxing anything anymore… that is parenting. If you wanted the kids taken care of so you and DH could relax you should have taken the nanny. Expecting anyone, never mind those in their late 60s, to look after 3 kids 4 and under is a big ask.

  3. Know when to swallow your pride and be less reactive especially when it’s in the best interests of the children…. It was highly inappropriate for your husband to explode and be so abusive to his father, especially when you’ve had the holiday accom paid for and free babysitting, it wasn’t the time or the place, irregardless of snarky comments. Dragging the kids out in the night was on you and DH.

Hellodarknessmyoldpal · 13/09/2023 14:30

Fair play to you OP you've taken everything here on the chin and it sounds like you've been reflecting on the situation. Your update provides further information that makes it clear these weren't suitable holiday companions in the first place. If they have such a history of falling out with others then i would only see them when absolutely necessary or not at all if DH is onboard.

Flossflower · 13/09/2023 14:33

OP I have read your update. You have given your reasons as to why you are talking out loud to your son but this can be done in a very quiet voice. It would be a good lesson to your son that you don’t have all conversations so everyone can hear. The bit about talking out loud so other people can come to your help means that you are teaching your son to be passive aggressive.
This talking out loud is really really really annoying.

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TooOldForASugarDaddy · 13/09/2023 14:40

Sorry OP but thousands of mothers all around the world work full time plus long extra hours, in jobs that are demanding in one way or another. So you are hardly worse off than most mothers:

There are more working mums than SAHMs. You have a nanny, the money to pay her, an apparently good husband and got a free hotel for a week but you are still complaining that your nearly 70 year old PILs were not providing enough babysitting.

That passive aggressive running commentary must have had them at their wits end, why did you think “nobody” was helping?Wouldn’t it have been easier to ask the dad of your children to pull his weight rather than expecting MIL, who is old and already doing enough, to help you further with kids she barely know?

Then the men start an argument you want MIL to stop, but when she does you insist your DH has the right to speak “his truth”, yes you didn’t intervene to stop it, yet you intervened to ask for your husband not to be interrupted when the things were escalating, why didn’t you try to placate your husband as well? What makes you think that what your husband had to say needed to be heard at that precise time when it would only make the situation more explosive?

There are bridges that are broken and never rebuilt, I wouldn’t be surprised if they are already actively limiting contact with your family and waiting for an apology as much as you do.

CurlewKate · 13/09/2023 14:48

"You are parents of three children. You do not get a day off or relaxing anything anymore… that is parenting."

Well, yes you do. If you have decent friends and family!

boromu222 · 13/09/2023 14:48

TooOldForASugarDaddy · 13/09/2023 14:14

You may think you are not violent but that kind of behaviour is upsetting for people around you.

The people around them were the ones being abusive!

i think you're trolling now.

boromu222 · 13/09/2023 14:49

ou are parents of three children. You do not get a day off or relaxing anything anymore… that is parenting

Martyrish bunkum.

Iwasafool · 13/09/2023 14:56

Carpediemmakeitcount · 13/09/2023 13:33

She supports her husband to behave like that I wouldn't. She has to take responsibility she's, not a child.

Was she supporting him? The OP doesn't say that. The MIL was cooking and washing for all of them, doesn't say anything about her supporting him in any other way particularly during the argument, didn't the OP say she asked her to intervene not that she said anything in support of her husband.

TooOldForASugarDaddy · 13/09/2023 14:57

boromu222 · 13/09/2023 14:48

The people around them were the ones being abusive!

i think you're trolling now.

Am I trolling you just because I expressed my opinion about you breaking stuff when you are angry? I don’t think we have communicated ever before?

Are you sure it is me who has the problem?

Startyabastard · 13/09/2023 14:58

I can't believe they chucked you out!!!! As others have said, it's just something you don't morally do!!
They shouldn't be criticising your far superior parenting style either. Bastards.

boromu222 · 13/09/2023 15:00

TooOldForASugarDaddy · 13/09/2023 14:57

Am I trolling you just because I expressed my opinion about you breaking stuff when you are angry? I don’t think we have communicated ever before?

Are you sure it is me who has the problem?

Yes, you asserted that someone responding to awful abuse by throwing a phone was the one who was "violent and covered in red flags".

You can only be trolling because no-one could genuinely think that is the correct interpretation.

justasking111 · 13/09/2023 15:02

In our family everyone mucks in with childcare. Grandpa does the fun walks and teaches the children about nature taking the children out of everyone's hair . He also cooks. Grandma does the mucking in with cookin, cleaning, etc. No-one gets drunk and aggressive, . Offspring get a chance to relax, grandchildren love the change in routine.

My mother on the other hand never passed up the chance for the dramatics which culminated in all three children going NC

@Mamma41 you're well out of it. Go grey or NC. Your OH and his brother have had enough misery.

Iwasafool · 13/09/2023 15:08

Hellodarknessmyoldpal · 13/09/2023 14:30

Fair play to you OP you've taken everything here on the chin and it sounds like you've been reflecting on the situation. Your update provides further information that makes it clear these weren't suitable holiday companions in the first place. If they have such a history of falling out with others then i would only see them when absolutely necessary or not at all if DH is onboard.

It does change the story a bit doesn't it.

PIL not in the pool with the children while OP has a lie down, now the PIL are in the pool with 2 children and OP is lying down with one.

OP wasn't talking about what she was doing hoping to get some help she was letting her son know what was happening.

MIL did the cooking and washing but now OP and DH took them out for a meal and did do cooking and washing.

Hate it when people do this.

oakleaffy · 13/09/2023 15:14

@Mamma41 Your update sounds like a much better idea- My parents years ago went on holiday with grandparents and it wasn’t a success- Camping with the GP’s in a motor home.
GP’s were difficult with stepdaughter and it just wasn’t pleasant.
Parents also went away to Spain with friends and friends DC
Again different expectations of the adults this time.

Neither shared hol was a success.

TooOldForASugarDaddy · 13/09/2023 15:17

boromu222 · 13/09/2023 15:00

Yes, you asserted that someone responding to awful abuse by throwing a phone was the one who was "violent and covered in red flags".

You can only be trolling because no-one could genuinely think that is the correct interpretation.

Okay, I admit that I may have assumed that the next thing you were going to say when you mentioned you also broke a phone is that they made you do it.

But if you accidentally dropped your phone on despair during an argument that is not violent.

AbbeyGailsParty · 13/09/2023 15:18

Awful, horrible man. This is his power trip, he intended the whole holiday it would culminate in a blow up. He’s done the same to your bil in the past, I think it was his intention from the start of your holiday.
Please cut them out of your lives, they will never be good grandparents to your children. Criticising small children is horrible.
Your lives will be better without them in it.

Mirabai · 13/09/2023 15:33

CurlewKate · 13/09/2023 14:48

"You are parents of three children. You do not get a day off or relaxing anything anymore… that is parenting."

Well, yes you do. If you have decent friends and family!

Or a nanny.

Vitamindquestion · 13/09/2023 15:41

For instance I said “I can’t get in the pool yet as I have to feed the baby, change his nappy, change the second son’s nappy, put sun cream on everyone & myself then get in the pool”. DH would be cleaning up our breakfast and that’s when I would talk out loud so my son knows what to expect and anyone who is around to lend a hand in putting sun lotion on would be able to do so. I wasn’t trying to be passive aggressive but if it was then I appreciate that would be annoying to listen too.

I don’t think you’re being unreasonable and your in laws sound like a nightmare. If you want to cut contact, that’s totally understandable.

But - and not that this is any excuse - what you’ve written above is passive aggressive and would be kind of annoying to listen to, sorry. I think you must know it too. You’re saying it to your son, but you’re really letting others know they “should” be helping you.

Your in-laws - if they were decent people - would have been able to ignore that though and still treat you better.

BIossomtoes · 13/09/2023 15:43

He’s done the same to your bil in the past

Did OP say that? I think you’re being ridiculous, nobody spends ££££ on a holiday villa just to have a row with their family. On the other hand, accepting free accommodation and then treating your hosts like staff isn’t conducive to cordial relations.

Pinkdelight3 · 13/09/2023 16:00

BIossomtoes · 13/09/2023 15:43

He’s done the same to your bil in the past

Did OP say that? I think you’re being ridiculous, nobody spends ££££ on a holiday villa just to have a row with their family. On the other hand, accepting free accommodation and then treating your hosts like staff isn’t conducive to cordial relations.

OP actually said:

MIL & FIL have previously done this to BIL when he lived with them with his then wife, my ex SIL. They threw them all out when my nephew was 2. The difference is they all lived with them and so they went & lived with her mother.

So the BIL, his wife and kid were living with PILs - for some time by the sounds of it, as they couldn't house themselves - so while the PILs did throw them out, they also kindly housed them, and such situations can be fraught with conflict.

Clearly they tried to a good thing for their other son's family and it went wrong, but I'd think there'd be blame on both sides as there was in this case. They put BIL's family up when they couldn't afford it, and they took you on holiday when you couldn't afford it. It didn't work out because they're difficult people and there's a stressful dynamic. But you know what they're like - you expected them to be different, so in future don't make that mistake again.

I do think if you've got 3 young DC it's a big ask to hand them over to anyone for free and the cost in this case is sucking up your PILs' attitude and not inflaming it. I also think you didn't have to escalate to the point of leaving in the middle of the night, but you and DH took it to that place and there was no return. Not saying PILs - esp FIL - aren't arses, but you knew that and not only went on holiday with them, but expected them to help out more. They've clearly passed their limit of helping out so at least it's clearer now.

Ohpleeeease · 13/09/2023 16:05

It sounds to me like you forgot you were guests and behaved like adult children in the family home. PIL accordingly went into parenting mode and old issues and grievances surfaced.

This is really between DH and his family, you are far too involved. He needs to sort things out with them on his own, however that plays out.

FictionalCharacter · 13/09/2023 16:10

Your in-laws are revolting people who drink too much.
Well done to your DH for supporting you, the kids and himself in preference to bowing down to them a minute longer.
You’re better off with them out of your lives.

LateAF · 13/09/2023 16:13

Iwasafool · 13/09/2023 15:08

It does change the story a bit doesn't it.

PIL not in the pool with the children while OP has a lie down, now the PIL are in the pool with 2 children and OP is lying down with one.

OP wasn't talking about what she was doing hoping to get some help she was letting her son know what was happening.

MIL did the cooking and washing but now OP and DH took them out for a meal and did do cooking and washing.

Hate it when people do this.

To be fair she said in her OP that her PILs were in the pool with “the boys” while she and DH had a lie down. She never specified the number of children in the pool. Common sense would say an 8 month old baby is unlikely to be left in the pool for an hour without mum or dad. Also many families refer to the older kid and baby as “the boys and the baby” or “the girls and the baby”.

The story has barely changed from the OP to the update, but OP has been much more gracious and reflective with her response than many of the comments were towards her.

CrankyPantaloons · 13/09/2023 16:14

You are at a different stage in your life than your in laws and whilst "help" should not be expected I do think it is part of being a family, if indeed that family is close. We have gone on holiday with extended family and we all muck in, it's just the natural way of things when we are together. Family should be a source of support not angst and if they are, they should (in my opinion) be kept at arms length. Then again my childhood was filed with fond memories of my (very proactive) grandparents and we are lucky that our parents have followed in the same fashion. I saw a quote recently that said "don't let the family that you come from destroy the family that comes from you", I found these very wise words, if toxic people are in your life CUT.THEM.OUT. as no good will ever come from being in their presence.

MyHornCanPierceTheSky · 13/09/2023 16:16

“I can’t get in the pool yet as I have to feed the baby, change his nappy, change the second son’s nappy, put sun cream on everyone & myself then get in the pool”.
So where was your dh when you were doing that? The nappy change and suncream putting on takes minutes.

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