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Identity crisis: How long does it take to get used to being a 'parent'?

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dragonbutter · 27/02/2008 13:09

Yesterday on Radio 4 they were talking about the causes of post-natal depression. Along with hormonal changes, predisposition to depression and other psychosocial causes they discussed the effect of identity crisis, and it got me thinking.
Five years ago I was single, living alone, had a good job with plenty enough salary for one, a social life, a gym membership and hobbies. I've travelled and been fairly adventurous and lived abroad for a while.
Now i'm married with 2 LO's aged 3.5 and 9 months. We have a house, I've chosen to be a SAHM so money's tight so not much social life outside of the usual mother and toddler meet ups and holiday's are scarce. Our marriage is happy although the kids seem to take up all our time, money and energy and while I'm happy and grateful to have everything we have and don't regret my decisions I've found it hard to figure out who I am anymore.
I wondered if anybody else has found the transition difficult and want to know the best way to deal with this.
Should I just buy a sportscar and get a boob job?

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kiwibella · 29/02/2008 11:45

that's a good question floppytulip... my dd is 1yo and I am beginning to feel estranged from the friends I had before her arrival. They are still great people - but our conversations / interests have become poles apart!!!

I did return to work but finished up at Christmas. There are lots of lovely people at the toddler groups we go to but I wouldn't say that I have made any friends.

honeydew · 29/02/2008 12:04

You're not the only one! I've found the transition really, really difficult. I was a teacher in middle management before I had my first child at 32. Like you, I'd travelled, was lucky enough to be well educated,able to persue my hobbies and be finacially independent. After the birth of DD,I decided I didn't want to deal with the workload and stress of full-time teaching as well as a baby. Going part-time was not an option according to my headteacher as my post was a full-time one so I had to give up work. I've gone on to have two further children since then and am now a stay at home mother of 3 (DD4, DS 2 and baby DD 11 months).I still don't think I've adjusted to this 50's lifestyle after 4 years of solid, unrelenting childcare to being at home all the time with no restpite. I absolutely adore my children and having a larger family is wonderful but I must admit to often resenting having had to sacrifice my entire former lifestyle. I would like to work part-time but there are so few openings and childcare is far to expensive in London for us to consider it. I'm worn out at the moment anyway with sleeples nights and the demands of parenthood to very young children and have a torn abdomen as well as a a hernia from my last ( and final!) pregnancy. I an hoping to work some shifts at my local supermarket soon now that my baby is nearly a year old but it will be evening work and I'm not sure if I could cope with it as I'm always totally knackered by 8 o'clock! But I do want to do something outside of the home, even if I'm tired, just to get out into the real world.

I was lucky enough to not suffer from post -natal depression but have to fight my resentment at being so comletely tied to the house and children while my husband retains his career and will admit to this. I have to say that I feel let down by feminism and that just because I've had 3 children, it means I have lost my career, probably for good as I can never go back to that middle management position now that I've been out of the education system for almost 5 years. When I became a mother, the new lifestyle hit me like a car crash and only my wonderful husband kept me going though that transition. I've never been depressed as such, just increaasingly angry that the glass ceiling is not so much within the work-place in the uk but at home where most mothers I know are still doing the majority of the chores and childcare without getting anything of their former lives back. Their husbands are still going out, working and sociallising while we stay Cinderella's tied to the kitchen sink. I've met SO many women in this position over the last few years and personally don't see many women retaining their careers, working full-time with children in tow. It has really opened my eyes to my misguided belief in my twenties that women had mostly achieved equality in this country. I was brought up to have a career, travel and use my education to good effect. This i did , unitl I had a baby and now that is left behind. One of the big issues for me is that childcare is not properly subsidised and not always of very high quality and if you have a 3rd child, you have to pay full childcare fees. I just wish my mother had taught me more about the role of a mother, its responsibilities, the pros and cons, etc. I think I would find it easier if she was there more for me and my sister who also had 3 children.

Yes, I accept that I've had children and have accordingly given all to them at the moment but I've found it just too much sacrifice at times. Losing my finacial independence to rely on my husband I've found difficult too. I've gone from being a respected teacher to 'just a mum'. The one thing that is good about full -time motherhood is that you are your own boss - only the children to make demands! I've learned to see all the positives about my situation but depise the lack of appreciation in modern society which women receive for bringing up children at home, trying to cope on one salary like us. If I had my time again, I would have stuck with the one child and gone back to work full-time in another capacity when she was 3 ish. My husband and I have had one weekend off together in all this time as my relatives can't and sometimes won't help much and live too far away. This year, I'm off on holiday to Bruges with my mum for 4 days in September while hubby and in-laws have the kids- HURRAH Hurrah!! My first holiday in about 6 or 7 years. I can't wait!

As I think it unlikely that I'll go back to work in he near future, I've decided to become a' yummy mummy and totally embrace the role of full time mum on a grand scale- bake, preserve, make play dough, plant flowes, do things for my chruch and charity,have lots of fun with my kids and try to be the best person and teacher I can be for their sake. Wine is always a good standby though for those days when if you see one more children's programme or storybook you'll throw yorself out of the window! Good luck with your two children, you're not alone in your feelings.

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LoveMyGirls · 29/02/2008 12:51

I took me 3 years for it to sink in to realise I was dd1's mum and no-one was coming to take her back so it mattered that I was a good mum, that she was developing, that I made sure she has happy childhood memories etc etc until it sank in i think i did love her and care about her but i never thought about tomorrow or how her life was affected by me being her mother. It could have been because i suffered bad PND or it could have been the fact I was so young. Now i'm older and I've settled into being happy with who I am, I love being a mother.

lalaa · 29/02/2008 12:52

I'm just here to repeat that it really does get better when they go to school. DD is in reception now, and the relief I felt when she started was huge. For me, it was a massive relief for her not to go to childcare. My childminder is brilliant but I just never got over the feeling of guilt that she was there and I should be looking after her, even though the thought, for me, of looking after my dd by myself 24/7 was entirely overwhelming, which is why i'd returned to work. So I felt like I couldn't win either way. Now that she's at school, and I can rationalise that she has to go, I don't feel guilty about not looking after her in the day!
And it's so great to be back in control of my daytimes without permanently having to try to keep the guilt feelings at bay. In fact, we get on better now than we ever have and I'm actually beginning to enjoy being a mum - a first for me.

eternalstudent · 29/02/2008 12:55

Hold tight dragonbutter, it'll get better. Or at least, that is what I tell myself as I hurtle from one mood swing to another, eyes tightly shut and teeth barred!

peacelily · 29/02/2008 13:02

Honeydew I really do think teachers are shockingly unsuppoerted when faced with this dilemma. 2 of my teacher friends have basically been told that part time isn't an option so have had to stay fulltime. This seems so unequitable and so unfair as they;re working for peanuts because of fulltime childcare costs but the balance just forces them in that direction because of mortgages etc.

I work to cover the mortgage etc. but because I've opted to drop a day my "spends" are almost non existent. Have just ordered a bra on-line in the bravissimo sale cos dh remarked this morn as I pulled on whatever that I used to be so particular about having beautiful matching underwear on each day (with a hint of regret in his voice I think!). I did of course point out that as well as financial constraints I'm 3 sizes bigger now and don't tend to have time to "browse"!

And choklit, RL doesn't seem to mirror MN, the women and M&T are like aliens IME I've really struggled to meet like minded people. But don't give up, you'll unearth a couple eventually!

Elffriend · 29/02/2008 13:06

Oh god. I have been wondering for ages whether to name change and ask if anyone else ever worried that they had done the wrong thing by having a baby?

I have still NOT adjusted - I have a secret fear that I never will.

I sooooo miss so many aspects about my old life/old self (which was not perfect). I miss (in no particular order):

  1. time for me. I work long hours four days a week so, when I am at home, I feel I owe it to DS to be there for him. That means I have given up all the things I used to do for me (gym, reading, meeting friends etc.)
  2. being fit. I used to be pretty fit - no more. I always hated my body but it was a supermodel's compared to now. 3)lying in bed past 6.30a.m - ever.
  3. holidays - not had one since. We used to travel to rainforests and walk in the mountains. Not expecting that now, but we never go anywhere anymore.
  4. Meals out - had two evenings out and one lunch since DS was born. 6)Being able to focus on my career and therefore get out of a job which makes me miserable but am trapped.
  5. not feeling worried/guilty/inadequate every bloody minute of the day and night.
  6. not feeling constantly tired and run down and slightly ill.

I DID suffer from PND. Okay now, but still resent sometimes having to just re-adjust to the fact that this is how my life is now - and it's my own fault so I cannot complain!

I do love DS - the bond has grown steadily and strongly since my illness and his first year health problems. We have lots of hugs and kisses, we play together all the time and he (finally) calls me Mama , sings and laughs happily (he's 18 months) I also know that I am lucky in many ways. But I spent most of my life not wanting children and feeling that it would be the wrong thing for me to do and I worry that my instincts there were right. I have never relaxed into being a mum, it never feels like it comes naturally and never been able to say that my life now is better/richer. I just lurch from panic to panic and try to cope.

Does it really always get better? I feel cheated that this has never really made me feel happy.

God -really should have name changed.

bebespain · 29/02/2008 13:38

This thread is such a help to me as it makes me realise I am not the only one wondering what she´s done

Elffriend - I feel just like you in that I also lurch from panic to panic and it doesn´t feel like it comes naturally to me either.

I have never had those maternal feelings I hear other people talk about. I never feel relaxed with DS and am convinced I´m not cut out for this, doing everything wrong etc...etc... But I do know I love him very much...

Choklit - I also emigrated when I was 5 months pregnant and I don´t think this has helped one bit, well I know it hasn´t - I too feel very isolated and the fact that I just can´t pop to see friends etc is really not helping things - its bloody hard I don´t mind admitting

kiwibella · 29/02/2008 13:44

honeydew... the first few lines of your post sound just like my situation!! I love being home with my baby but I do miss all the independence of working.

BTW... I did go back teaching full-time in September and had resigned by half term .

Choklit... our families are also a million miles away and I had no idea how much I would miss them at this time. It's the little things, like social occassions, and just a cuppa around at mums!!

Elffriend... does it feel helpful to be honest... by writing it all down / getting it out? I used to hate it when the HV would ask "are you depressed?" Of course I was feeling down but there is no way I would answer 'yes' to such a blatant question.

Lalaa... I have concerns about school already... what will I do when my dd no longer needs me?

I'm sure that it is the tiredness that prevents mums (or just me?!?) from thinking rationally

Kitsilano · 29/02/2008 13:46

My goodness it is so helpful to know that so many other people feel the same way! I thought I was just a shit mother. Dragonbutter I could have written your OP and have been in tears reading some if the replies.

I am well educated, had a good career, had lived abroad, good salary, lots of holidays etc etc. Now I have a 2.10 DD and a 3 month DD and I feel like I am in Groundhog Day. Just when I had got a little bit of my life and sense of self back after having DD1 it's all starting again. Most days I feel isolated, bored, frustrated and lonely. I yearn to use my brain again, dress nicely, not feel tired and however deep I dig I can't seem to find joy in changing nappies, wiping faces and answering interminable questions. The sheer relentlessness of the domestic drudgery seems overwhelming.

I keep asking myself whether we made a mistake to have number 2. I AM finding hope in the posts that say it does get better though...

LoveMyGirls · 29/02/2008 13:59

On the one hand I see how hard it must be to have had loads of freedom to work, travel, sleep, go out etc etc and I guess this is a common issue for ladies who have children later in life BUT I think the grass is always greener tbh I had dd1 when i was 17 so I've never had the freedom you all speak of so is it better to never know what you're missing out on or is it better to have had the chance to experience it? (of course I know what I would have chosen but I've learned to be happy with what I've got and i'm very lucky to have lots of help and support enabling me to grasp bits of freedom at times and I never feel guilty for going out and enjoying myself now and again like a lot of mothers do)

ProfessorGrammaticus · 29/02/2008 14:13

I would like to add to the "it does get easier" posts - my two are both at school and I feel that we are in a golden stage between toddlers and teenagers - they are nice and easy and generally lovely now!

I work part time and this keeps me happy. My big fear is that I will not be able to carry on once DS1 gos to secondary school. It is likely to be a private school and I can't see how I will cover the even longer holidays. And I fear that teenagers need you around even more than littlies, if you have really excellent childcare, which I did.

And I do mean fear - I am scared of losing my own identity and just faclitating the lives of others, not having one of my own...

2HotCrossBunnies · 29/02/2008 14:31

Have managed to lose my post, damn! Anyway just wanted to say that it has been reassuring to read that so many of us are feeling the same. I too had a career in a demanding job, nice clothes, lovely holidays etc pre-DS1 and now that has all gone. DS1 is 2.9years and DS2 nearly 11 months and I'm about to go back to work for a second time on a part-time basis. All those of my level have been promoted whilst I was having my babies and that will now not happen to me. A fact I have become reconcilled with during this mat leave. Still it is a shame and the only reason I am going back to work is to have variety to my Groundhog Day existence - even the weekends are much the same just with 2 of us doing the endless rounds of meals, naps and nappies.

I too adore my boys and we are considering trying for a 3rdDC but some relief from the monotony would be great - I don't even mind looking after the children, it's the constant washing, loading and unloading of dishwasher, tidying up etc that I can't bear. Oh to be able to afford a housekeeper!!! I have to say I have found the adaption to mummy easier with the arrival of no2 as the shock of losing the independence and freedom wasn't anything like so great. Plus DS2 is an angel baby bless him!

Like many of you the lack of appreciation is galling - I feel like I bust a gut to be as good at my "new job" of SAHM but all DH says is "What's for dinner?"! Well after preparing 6 different meals for the boys during the day and stuffing something into myself, nothing!!

BTW - to the MNer who's toddler has stopped daytime naps, the bright side is that they are in bed earlier at nighttime. DS1 stopped sleeping during the day a couple of months ago and now we have quiet time instead. He's in bed by 7.15 or earlier every night. DS2 is in bed by 7 so at least I have my evenings!! I would go mad otherwise!

honeydew · 29/02/2008 14:31

Elffiend- I so echo everything you have said. Not a day goes by when part of me thinks 'why did I do this?' I've got three screaming children to cope with mostly on my own all day, everyday and sometimes the feelings of being trapped and isolated are overwhleming. Just going anywhere on my own with the three of them is an absolute mission, even though I do try. I put the two youngest in the double buggy and my 4 year old walks to pre-school or stands on the back. The looks I get!

I HATE M and T groups because I have enough loud kids to deal with as it is, but I drag myself along for my younger children's sake, thinking, I should be in a Year 12 meeting now disucssing next year's syllabus, not making star shapes with playdough yet again. I've never found anyone to be good friends with there even though I've tried- I just sit in the corner and feel sorry for myself!

It's just the lack of me time- I get NO time to do anything!! I look in the mirror and think 'who ** this woman with 3 kids, a different surname, lots of flabby, wobbly bits I just can't get rid of?" What the hell happened there? I've been breastfeeding for almost 4 years on and off and have travelled nowhere. I've been tethered by the tit for the last year and only now can I have more than two hours away from my baby to do a little shopping or have a coffee out at the weekend.

All my mum says is 'well you shouldn't have had 3 children should you? You've only got yourself to blame" True, true but it doesn't make it any easier.(angry)

Hang in there and grit your teeth!(grin)

Bink · 29/02/2008 14:41

OK, this is a soppy answer, but you are bound to find one day that your children show you a "you" which is a whole other fabulous you which you didn't realise was there. And then you will not mind the identity crisis, because it had a purpose.

Eg. I am your basic anxious self-critical person who would rather die than try to entertain a group of people & deeply rubbish at telling jokes. BUT my children (8 and 7) think I am The Funniest Mummy There Ever Was, and with them I am that person - and then, because of that, & them, it's had an effect in all the rest of my life.

So that's nice.

peacelily · 29/02/2008 14:56

It's because of issues brought up in these posts that I'm v reluctant to try for another.... but then transend into a guilty spiral of "oh god am I somehow depriving dd of something if I don't give her a sibling" and "how can I bear to leave her on her own in the world when we've gone" (this thought in particular plagues me). I'm just too bloody selfish to do it all again!?!

She's nearly18m so THE question is beginning to rear it's ugly head "so...when's the next one?". Answer, when i can afford a nannt/housekeeper/personal trainer/bigger house/therapist for dh to prevent him turning into an angry depressed mess like last time/etc.etc.!!

Elffriend so many of your points ring true, especially the ones about wanting to be fit again (I WAS size 8 and proud now have all this horrible LOOSE SKIN!). and feeling ill all the time I've always got some lurgy or other. I've also only just got rid of that "oh my God what do I do with her all day" feeling of dread. Now we have fabulous days together .

But..the things that help me feel human are;

internet clothes sales when things have been reduced 70% or more see it in French Connection in December, buy it for 70% less in Feb!

Saving up to have my hair professionally blow dried once a month.

Always putting just lip gloss and mascara, on before I leave the house just for a smidgen of glam!

honeydew · 29/02/2008 14:59

I agree with others comments on here- it's not the kids I have a problem with - its the endless,endless ENDLESS repetitive days of washing, cooking tidying, ( dear God do I tidy!) nappy changing and getting my daughter to pre-school domestic drudgery of it all that drives me to insanity and bores me to DEATH.

All the cuddles make up for much of the downsides when adjusting to parenthood though and I'm sure it'll be worth it in the end. At least I hope so!

Is 4 o'clock to early to start drinking when you have kids?! My neighbour and I think it's not too early if you're having a bad day!

peacelily · 29/02/2008 14:59

2hotcrossbuns sometimes feel as if the back of my head is surgically attached to the inside of the dishwasher!

dragonbutter · 29/02/2008 15:02

Hi everyone. I can't believe how this thread has taken off. It's really comforting to know there are so many others out there feeling the same.(hey i can't even be unique these days! )
Somebody asked what I'd learned about the social side of being a mum. I think the problem I initially found was that I felt people didn't like me as nobody made any effort to call or pop round. I got pregnant the same month that we had moved to a new area and started new jobs so I really knew no-one and nobody got to know the pre-pregnancy, pre-baby me.
Anyway, after a long time of making lots of effort at mother and toddler groups and being as super friendly as I could be, I never felt I had a friend nearby and it got me down. I survived by keeping in touch with other friends from my previous life and it was so much more relaxed and funny and so different from the effort required of meeting people.
Finally i met one other mum who i clicked with straight away, on about the 3rd time i met her i told her how nice it was to finally feel relaxed talking to someone and we ridiculously both burst into tears as she had felt the same way.Aaaawww. how sweet.
In the last 4 years since we moved here i've probably met only 4 people that I really really like.
Gradually what i've realised is that I am not going to click with everyone. That some people are interesting to me and some are not. Some people make me laugh and some don't. It helps me to think of it that I don't like lots of people than lots of people don't like me.
I prefer the company of people who i have more in common than just the kids as it's likely you will talk about the kids but i really prefer the chats about music, books, tv, cinema or anything but bloody kids!
So I think i've learnt to be more selective and to make more effort to see the people i really want to see rather than the people who brought me down or were competitive parents who just seemed to interview me on parenting issues so they can compare and wind themselves up.

ps. I am feeling much better today actually. Not sure why I was feeling so tearful the other day. I don't have PND but do have my down days and you lovely mumsnetters have really helped. Thankyou.

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JoshandJamie · 29/02/2008 15:04

I like your soppy answer bink.

I get to live out my rock star dreams by playing air guitar in front of my boys and dancing around like a mad thing. They think it's hilarious and have taken to copying me so we all play air guitar and rock to the beat - particularly in the car with the radio on loud. It ain't no rock concert, but it's our version of it.

lalaa · 29/02/2008 15:04

kiwibella

I didn't have that concern about dd going to school (about her not needing me) but I was still really surprised to feel that she needs me more when she gets home than she used to as a pre-schooler. I think I provide her with the security she needs after school, and they do need you to help with all sorts of things like homework, but also to talk through things that might have happened in the classroom or playground.

ScubaDuba · 29/02/2008 15:04

I can relate to so many of the posts in this thread. I think the baby and toddler years are so difficult because of their sheer intensity. Unless you are lucky enough to have lots of relatives around to help out, then even finding time to eat something is profoundly difficult (never mind actually enjoying it). What's tough about young kids is that everything you do (eating, sleeping general jobs, writing letters, etc,) is interrupted; it is not just nights that are broken.

When I had DC1, I also struggled to find like-minded friends. I found that many mums just in the post-natal groups just wanted to talk solely about their own babies. I was interesting in getting to know them as adults, what they did before having a baby and such like, but I was often disappointed that such interest was not reciprocated. It felt a bit like I was just my DC's mum and had been hatched as just that! I wanted to talk about where I'd travelled, where I'd like to travel to in the future but I found that this type of conversation was strictly off the agenda.

In time, however, I did find some good friends and I am still fantasising about my future travels - when I am old, free and married!!!!

Monkeybird · 29/02/2008 15:10

God - it's really sad reading these posts, particularly for those of you who want more choices but are prevented from taking them...

...Am interested to know what the reasoning behind the teachers who've been told they can't work part-time, since my understanding of the law now is that everyone has the right to request it and employers have to be able to give reasonable answers if they refuse (in writing etc..) I'm not sure why teachers can't in principle work part-time or am I missing something? Could you ask for job share options - at least they'd get more out of you - job-shares always do - and you and the other person could help each other out? My son's teacher works part-time I believe and he's a bleeding bloke FFS! (only cos blokes who wanna be family friendly seem to get everything they ask for since everyone goes 'ah bless, isn't he good?' whie women still get the 'blimey, she's in late again' look...

So my advice is be a bit feminist about it: don't over-individualise your choices, the fact so many women feel this way make it a social condition (ie not all your fault so you should just pull your socks up and get over it)... Instead remember:

  • most women find the transition hard, some just cover it up/deny it really well!
  • most women work in jobs below their capabilities unfortunately precisely because our economy does not support real family friendly working. Which means for most women it is actually very difficult to either earn enough to pay the childcare bills or at the other end of the earnings scale, have a job which allows you to 'really' work part-time (ie most professional jobs make it VERY hard)
  • giving up all the things you used to do in one fell swoop is pretty tough for anyone...

...so my advice is to try lowering your expectations of yourself and your family, and start small with achievable goals to make your self happy. Half hour a day for yourself for example. Or even per week if it's really bad. Or one symbolic treat per week, even if it's the cheapest magazine you can afford. If you don't have your own bank account, get one, and start putting little bits in there (no not an escape fund, but a 'you' fund!). And don't feel ANY guilt about plucking your eyebrows instead of doing the hoovering, or writing a few lines of your novel instead of doing play-dough, while still trying to remember they're just tiny for a short while. You don't have to feel guilt for taking some selfish decisions, because you're doing this job ALL THE TIME, not just for the hours your DP is out earning the crust.

Lock the door to the toilet and read your magazine in their for 20 minutes. Drive the kids down the motorway till they're all asleep, park up at the service station and listen to the radio. Or if they won't sleep, turn it up until it's too loud to hear the screaming...

Soon, the mist will clear, you'll be able to leave the house without someone clinging to your leg and you'll have a conversation with someone you've never met over a beer/glass of wine/Bacardi breezer and you'll be making a comeback in your brand new one-size smaller jeans. OK you might never be able to shop where Posh Spice does since they'll only accommodate one of your legs now, but at least you'll want to make the effort. You will. I promise. But it's baby steps for you too back to full all-round human, one tiny mascara tube or hour of part-time work at a time...

Monkeybird · 29/02/2008 15:12

the 'pull your socks up' sentence doesn't read as I meant it, of course I meant to include - but didn't in my bizarre world of monkey grammar - the words 'shouldn't feel you have to...' pull your socks etc etc...

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