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Child to parent violence

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Troubleatmills · 16/04/2023 19:43

Evening. I’m new to Mumsnet. I’m just so alone and desperate I wondered if anyone had any experience.
I am a single parent with a 13 year old daughter.
she has been violent to me since January. She has been arrested many times and held in custody four times . She has done thousands of pounds worth of damage to our home. The police have been out on many occasions since January and attend at least three times a week.
Social services are useless. They have told me they will not remove her even temporarily. I have no family at all. None of my friends will have her because of the risk she poses. Her father is not on the scene either.
she refuses to speak with a phsychologist so I’m stuck. I’m finding it harder and harder to deal with. I’m always covered in bruises and I just don’t know where to turn. I am wondering if anyone out there has been through something similar. I guess I’m just looking for a story where the violence stopped and some hope.
Thank you

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AngryGreasedSantaCatcus · 19/04/2023 18:53

Troubleatmills · 19/04/2023 16:26

So, she spoke for six minuites to a support worker. Albeit through her room door. First movement in 4 months. Then, a friend of mine came over who has been a foster parent and unbelievably my daughter spent two hours talking with her upstairs. I don’t know exactly what was said as haven’t had a chance to catch up with my friend yet but the friend seems to have some interesting thoughts apparantly. Again, astonishing to me that we may be seeing something. Trying not to get too excited as too crushing it it’s a one off but she’s still in there somewhere I’m hearing.

Baby steps OP. Getting her to open up, or at least trust someone else and talk (about whatever) is the first step. Be patient,be calm and don't despair if there are any set backs.

Troubleatmills · 20/04/2023 22:46

@Sittwritt Thank you. This is very insightful as this is how it seems. Zero insight into her own behaviour and no empathy at all. Friend said she noticed her attitude towards me. It’s very strange how she can keep this level of behaviour up for four months. This is why I wonder how much is behavioural how much is some kind of delusional thing.

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Sittwritt · 21/04/2023 07:29

I am afraid it’s very difficult to come to any form of conclusion when it’s all first hand and when you are experiencing it as ‘issues’ about trivial things such as say remote control being left and her angry about it. Try to think of the general aspects of her behaviour like lack of empathy, lack of insight, etc. Then look up cluster B disorders and see if there is any match. Remember that vulnerable adults need safeguarding too. And that domestic violence or coercion is punishable by law if in family or intimate relationship. Or even if it’s done out of home these days it was updated in May 2022 I think to include abuse by former partners. Educating yourself and watching documentaries on this sort of thing will open your eyes as to what help there might be. I am so sad you live in terror but this should not be.

Littlefish · 05/05/2023 11:09

I would be very surprised if there wasn't some form of neurodevlopmental issue here, such as ADHD or Autism.

It's perfectly possible for girls to mask for years, but puberty is often a huge trigger.

My daughter was diagnosed with ADHD at 15, and is almost certainly autistic too.

Littlefish · 05/05/2023 11:10

Sittwritt · 19/04/2023 18:48

Well done OP and we’ll done to your girl. I truly hope it’s a breakthrough. But you are right to be on the verge of caution also, as manipulative behaviour can oscillate it this pattern of relief, tension, relief, more tension. I’ve known a person to be awful to their parents talk to their aunt about it all, blame it all on the parents only for the aunt to then get on the persons side and chastise the parents etc. This lasted a few years and then the person went to stay with that aunt and aunt finally came to her senses of what the hell is going on. Anyhow, you can expect anything, trauma, bullying, but don’t be surprised if you hear a lot of blame for you despite caring deeply and being a super mum that’s tolerated hell towards her. It will all depend on her ability to have insight into her actions and recovery will depend on this very much indeed.

Excellent post.

My daughter blames me for absolutely everything. It's incredibly hard to deal with.

Troubleatmills · 19/05/2023 08:23

Littlefish · 05/05/2023 11:10

Excellent post.

My daughter blames me for absolutely everything. It's incredibly hard to deal with.

Thank you both for your comments. I appreciate the insight and you are right. The blame aspect is very familiar as she does blame me for everything every day. I will continue to update here because I think there will be other parents suffering in silence out there as it’s so difficult to share and for anyone going through similar.

my friend came to stay for a week three weeks ago. That made the situation worse in terms of phsychological games my daughter played as well as property damage. She couldn’t get at me so damaged property instead. the police attended as usual. After a few days the situation calmed a little. Before my friend left she emphasised from a third person point of view what it was like living in the house for a week. The authorities then put carers in the day after she left. They come for 8 hours at night. My daughter will not engage with them but having someone sat in the house means less chance of her starting. This has worked so far. We are two weeks in with the carers and I haven’t been assaulted for three weeks now between them here as well as my friend. The carers were only meant to be doing two weeks but I think it’s been extended another week.
My daughter has now started to play out with her friends in the village a couple of hours a day again and she has started to engage with her online school this last two weeks a little bit. What I can conclude then is that she can control her behaviour and this is interesting.
Normally she doesn’t sleep at night as she’s in bed all day. However, I noticed she slept last night which is remarkable. I’m not sure what will happen next to be honest. At the moment I’m still sat on tenterhooks every day.
After Thursday the carers will disappear and who knows. They can’t be here indefinitely, I understand that. This is where we are at the moment.

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Troubleatmills · 05/07/2023 14:07

Hello, hope everyone is well.
I am updating here in case any parent is looking for advice in the future and sees this. The more information out there on this the better.

Its been a while since I posted. Things have slowly improved. I haven’t been assaulted by my daughter since the end of April. Although only a couple of months it’s a massive improvement on the daily beatings coming my way before as well as the constant police visits.
i think I said previously that my friend came to stay with us for just over a week. She gave me the strength to push harder for help. As a result of her being able to help deal with social services ( who were not doing much ) we had a result. The services sent in specialised carers. They go into homes where child to parent abuse is going on. They came and sat with me every night , including bank holidays and weekends for about a month. They came late afternoon / early evening as that was classically peak ‘kicking off ‘ time. They would leave each night at midnight. So, between the carers and my friend we had four or five weeks of someone else in the house every day. That broke a pattern. On top of this I enrolled in a programme which works to recognise patterns and helps parents to lay back down the rules of the home.

my daughter is back to attending school part time and will go back full time in September.

it’s still early days but I wanted to give some hope to folks out there experiencing similar. Every day is becoming a little easier. I worry about a flare up again but until that happens I am just keeping the work going and building on the progress we have. Things are not perfect and we still have the verbal nastiness daily. It’s less angry but more trying to wind me up.

I will update into October once the going back to school has been full time for a month.

I thought it was hopeless. Whatever the underlying cause is of all this hasn’t been cured. She hasn’t really spoken to anyone in depth or been diagnosed with anything. Cahms tell me that it’s not a mental issue but a behavioural one. I’m having rouble seeing the line between what would be classed as mental and what would be classed as behavioural here. However, my aim is to get her to a point where she will open up more as perhaps then we can make some headway to that. I’m not an expert on mental health but the thing that made the most sense to me is some type of personality disorder which a previous poster mentioned several times. However, one step at a time.

if you are reading this and in the same position as I was when I posted my original message here for help then I want to say to you - push harder for help. Write to your local MP, get in touch with Social Service regulators. As a parent or as anyone - you should not have to be beaten black and blue in your own home or anywhere else on a daily basis for the services to help you. Your life is important and you matter.

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Tempone · 06/07/2023 10:28

That's a really positive update op. Well done you. 👏

allthingsred · 06/07/2023 22:43

I have been through similar op.
Communication has been the key for us.
I read a book.(the explosive child)
It sounds stupid but it really did help & me trying to understand what she was feeling, kind of opened my eyes a bit

My dd on pathway now for asd.
Things now are better, not perfect.
She had severe anxiety as well as other mh needs but she will talk about how shes feeling rather than act out.

It will get better op

abitofbother · 06/07/2023 22:56

Good luck and thanks for update

Kells90 · 13/08/2024 21:50

I had a friend stay with me my 12 year old has lied about him hitting him and stuff and now I'm on child protection because they see my 12 year old vulnerable and needs protecting my 9 year old is scared to death of his brother its tearing our family apart

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