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Eating a carrot is breaking my heart

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CarrotTrauma · 11/05/2021 19:28

I’ve NC for this as I don’t want linked to my other posts as could be outing to people who know me.

So tonight we have come down hard on our 7yo DC, they are currently bawling their heart out at the table, have been for over half an hour because we are making them eat a carrot, not even a whole carrot, it’s a quarter of a roasted carrot.

We’ve always been fairly relaxed with food. Never forced our DCs to eat food they don’t like, never made them go to bed hungry. The snack draw is always available, they must ask though. But the diet of one of our DCs has gotten so bad we have had to play hard ball.

Number 1, had always had an issue with fruit and veg, bad gag reflex even as a baby. As they have gotten older that gag reflex is still there but they do try and have got to the point where they can eat things they never could before, not a huge amount but are gradually progressing and overall we get some decent healthy food into them. A lot of this has been down to school encouragement in trying new healthy foods and eating with their friends as well as age.

Number 3 child, no problems at all, they will actually get upset if there isn’t enough fruit and veg. 95% of the time they will choose fruit of any sweets/chocolate.

But with number 2 it’s has gotten so bad. As a baby it wasn’t a problem until they started copying number 1 and refusing to eat fruit and veg. As they were close in age it was hard to stop this. They started to make progress at nursery and school and I wasn’t too worried as both told me they were eating stuff they wouldn’t at home and I thought that like number 1 they would get better especially eating at friends homes or friends coming to us as with number 1. But lockdown happened, so they stopped eating with their peers and stopped trying new things which they would happily do at school.

We’ve also moved during lockdown and they are in a new school, but since returning only dose packed lunches. Previously I could live with picking my battles because there were always meals I could sneak a bit of blended veg into and I knew I had the back up that at school they were at least trying and eating foods they refused at home. This isn’t to say I havnt tried, I’ve blended veg hidden it in many mice dishes, spread it on home made pizzas, tried cooking it in lots of various ways. They will eat a bowl of stew and at the end all the meat and gravy is gone and all the veg left. I’ve made novelty meals, got very creative in designing fun plates, but nothing works.

Just to show how bad it is, this is now my DCs diet,

Breakfast - toast with butter, beans or sausages. They use to eat cereal but after being introduced to krave through a relative this is now the only cereal they eat. The only other breakfast foods are pancakes with Nutella. We only allow the krave or anything Nutella related at weekends now. Which is why we started making hot foods during the week.

Lunch - ham sandwich, no other sandwich, will eat plain bread and butter. Pretzels, popcorn and maybe breadsticks. Absolutely nothing else.

Dinner - pizza (cheese n tomato only), sausages, chicken nuggets and chips, roast chicken, hot dogs and pasta, beans, meatballs and of course McDonalds. Won’t eat potatoes in any other form or rice, cous cous, eggs, obviously no veg at all. Will try other meats but not really fussed.

At home they spend all their time asking for snacks, their idea of a snack is chocolate, crisps, sweets, ice cream.... this is why we are at breaking point. We have no issue with our children eating these in moderation and with a healthy varied diet, but our 7yo dose not anything near this.

So tonight was the night we have got tough and stuck to our guns. I’ve had to go upstairs as I can’t bare the crying. Both DH and I have horrible memories of being forced to sit at the table and eat stewed to death veg and swore we would never do it. But we have run out of patience and need to do something before it’s to late.

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LivingOnAnIsland · 11/05/2021 21:51

Haven't read the whole thread, but I had a rule that I would cook 4 vegetables (I love veg) and the kids had to choose two of them. It mostly worked.

sHREDDIES19 · 11/05/2021 21:51

It’s a new day tomorrow, just chalk this up to experience as forcing food on them simply doesn’t work (long term) and creates a negative association. Most do grow out of such restrictive diets.

@arethereanyleftatall - I’m not sure I’d view toast or a ham sandwich as a weekly treat!

PurpleRainDancer · 11/05/2021 21:51

@Sirzy

The more you try to force the issue the more it will become a battle of wills. You won’t win but you risk doing long term damage to their attitude to food.

Make sure every meal has something they will eat. Keep new foods separate but available with no pressure to eat them. Don’t make a fuss over what they do or don’t eat.

Get them involved in doing some cooking with you. Even if they don’t eat the end product they are still getting used to different foods and having fun with food.

The more you show them your stressed the more they will fight back

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AccidentallyOnPurpose · 11/05/2021 21:55

Btw sorry for suggesting things you have tried before. Of course you did. Anyone with a child like that does. Just suggesting some stuff that worked for DD even if it took years.

I think for about 2 years I just told her everything was chicken as then she'd at least try it.Grin

PattyPan · 11/05/2021 21:56

I don't see the issue with toast but I agree a ham sandwich should be more of a treat than an everyday occurrence - ham and other processed meats are really bad for you and the advice is to limit them if possible (obviously not possible if that's all your DC will eat - it's better than nothing!).

OP, I'm sorry, that sounds so tough. It definitely does sound psychological given the reaction to being near a banana. Someone I know is phobic of fruit even as an adult and she seems not to have gone down with scurvy or anything. Definitely look into phobias and try to see if you can get support more on the mental health rather than nutrition side of things because it sounds like that would be more helpful.

CarrotTrauma · 11/05/2021 21:57

@GlumyGloomer

Sorry if you've tried this but have you given bribery a go? We use a star system, and started with 1 star for eating her veg at both lunch and dinner. This worked ok, but resulted in her sat at the table for half an hour nudging cold veg around the plate but not wanting to quit on the star. So now she gets 2 stars if she eats the veg first. It works so much better, as she's hungry and wants to get to the meat or whatever. Also lets be honest cold veg is horrible. Disclaimer: this works for bog standard picky veg refusal, no sensory issues or anything.
O yes, I have no problem with bribery. There isn’t anything they really want right now. The only thing we could do is take away stuff and I’m not willing to go down that route,
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Teenagehorrorbag · 11/05/2021 21:57

Agree with PPs who say sit down with your DC and meal plan. Its not at all uncommon I gather for kids to only eat 'beige' food - particularly if they have sensory issues as it sounds your DC1 had?

Try other options, until they find some things they like? My DC has ASD and has always struggled with lots of things, but improved hugely over time. He still can't eat fruit (he says it's the texture) but does love veg, luckily. (Even sprouts....Grin). Over the years we have realised he will eat olives (green Morrisons garlic and chilli ones), cucumber if we peel it, tinned tomatoes with a fried egg type meal, beetroot (pickled, fresh or roasted) and will drink orange juice. He also likes sweetcorn - cooked baby corn or tinned loose bits.

Keep trying random things, hopefully you'll get there in the end. Good luck!

quizqueen · 11/05/2021 21:57

Replace all potato crisps with the veggie varieties. Don't have shop biscuits, cake or chocolate bars in the house. Make your own biscuits/cake and try and sneak some fruit /veg in them.... banana bread, pineapple upside down cake - just very small amounts of fruit to begin with then gradually increase- which they can help you cook. Make smoothies (beetroot can be hidden in there). Only allow melted chocolate for a treat if they dip some fruit in it.

If you stop having temptations in the house and have bowls of fruit for easy access instead, they may get so hungry they will try it. Always offer one small veg portion with each meal. Replace sausages etc. with veggie/vegan ones. Your children are not getting the all the nutrients they need.

FrozenVag · 11/05/2021 21:58

My son was had massive food problems and we managed to get him through it. He was autistic with control issues and anxiety about food which I’m sure is different from your situation - but anyway this is what we did. (He didn’t eat properly between 3&6 and now eats everything)

  1. I let him plan the menu with me for the week. It couldn’t be junk ie pizzas etc - but apart from that I didn’t care.
  1. I taught him to cook. Once he had an interest in food and the process of cooking it became easier. He really loves putting together the lasagna as a construction project. What are they into?
  1. Reward chart. My kids can have any junky meal on a Friday night as long as they ate everything else through the week. Generally it’s a rotation of pizza burgers or hotdogs. I can live with one crap meal a week.
  1. Our real turning point was when I sat down with them and read them the article about the poor boy who didn’t eat because he has such severe ARFID. This obviously was quite a big scare tactic but he was able to understand and process it.
  1. In the bad days when he really wasn’t eating properly I made him a pint of juice a day like watermelon and strawberry so at least he wasn’t short of vitamins if
Nothing else

So basically a mixture of engaging their interest and laying down the law!

00100001 · 11/05/2021 22:01

@PattyPan

I don't see the issue with toast but I agree a ham sandwich should be more of a treat than an everyday occurrence - ham and other processed meats are really bad for you and the advice is to limit them if possible (obviously not possible if that's all your DC will eat - it's better than nothing!).

OP, I'm sorry, that sounds so tough. It definitely does sound psychological given the reaction to being near a banana. Someone I know is phobic of fruit even as an adult and she seems not to have gone down with scurvy or anything. Definitely look into phobias and try to see if you can get support more on the mental health rather than nutrition side of things because it sounds like that would be more helpful.

Erm. Ham doesn't have to be heavily processed. Yes if you're buying cheap watery shit or Billy Bear crap.

Billy Near sandwich in crappy cheap bread.... Sure a "treat".

But a slice of decent organic ham between two bits of good quality bread?? Nope. Good food and absolutely nothing wrong with it.

Divebar2021 · 11/05/2021 22:03

Have you taught your children to cook?

Shehasadiamondinthesky · 11/05/2021 22:06

I wouldn't put up with that. Mine ate what they were given or starve basically. I didn't have chocolate or crisps in the house at all and would not tolerate whining. A child cannot maintain good health on a limited junk food diet like that.

arethereanyleftatall · 11/05/2021 22:08

Crikey, my post got lots of responses. Haven't read them all, sorry, but yeah, I do limit processed food - such as bread and ham. It's well documented that it's really not good for you. Luckily for me and my dc, there's plenty of good food that they do like so no feeling sorry for them (or whatever was written) is necessary.

Back to the op. Lots of good suggestions here for you op, good luck! I'm sure you've tried this, but for me the 'would you like potato or rice' trick (ie 2 foods you're happy for them to have) worked nicely. 'But you chose that!'

00100001 · 11/05/2021 22:09

@Shehasadiamondinthesky

I wouldn't put up with that. Mine ate what they were given or starve basically. I didn't have chocolate or crisps in the house at all and would not tolerate whining. A child cannot maintain good health on a limited junk food diet like that.
LOL, as if you'd let your kids starve....

You obviously don't have kids with texture issues or swallow issues or anything like that.

Sirzy · 11/05/2021 22:12

@Shehasadiamondinthesky

I wouldn't put up with that. Mine ate what they were given or starve basically. I didn't have chocolate or crisps in the house at all and would not tolerate whining. A child cannot maintain good health on a limited junk food diet like that.
And some children would starve. For many children the idea of eating something that wasn’t a safe food to them would be impossible so they just wouldn’t eat
AccidentallyOnPurpose · 11/05/2021 22:12

@Shehasadiamondinthesky

I wouldn't put up with that. Mine ate what they were given or starve basically. I didn't have chocolate or crisps in the house at all and would not tolerate whining. A child cannot maintain good health on a limited junk food diet like that.
Mine didn't eat for two weeks. Good luck with that.Grin
wasgoingmadinthecountry · 11/05/2021 22:17

DS won't eat fruit because he hates the texture - loves smoothies though.

I'm over it now because he's 24, 6 foot 2 and loves veg and nothing bad happened.

Don't have crisps and chocolate in the house. And definitely don't associate them with awards.

Bot please please if your children are a bit funny about foods for a bit, take it in your stride. As for toast as a treat, get a fucking grip!!

CheeseandGherkins · 11/05/2021 22:17

So you both have bad memories of being forced to eat foods and STILL forced your child to do the same thing?! Really? Why on earth would you do that? Creating food issues at such a young age really isn't a good thing whatsoever.

Linking eating food with a "treat" such as watching tv (or any "treat") is also not a good idea, good way to have more food issues.

Put the food on the plate and only ask them to try it, if they don't like it then they don't have to eat it. If you aren't pushy or insistent on them eating it regardless, then it will be easier. Eventually they'll try it (unless of course they have some sensory problems or any other caveat I'm sure someone can think up) and they won't be left with any lont term damage from being forced to eat a mouthful of carrot.

I always put a few different types of vegetables on the plate and ask that they try new ones, eventually they do and they work out which ones they actually enjoy and which ones they genuinely do not like. This takes more than one try, so the only thing I say is that they continue to try them each time. Some foods they end up liking, some they always liked, and some they never did. Oddly, they are human beings with their own taste buds and hence do actually know whether they like something or not.

I know I would hate to be forced to eat food I don't like and being an adult doesn't make a difference to being able to have a choice in that matter imho.

Honestly, toast is a treat?! Lmao.

Mistressinthetulips · 11/05/2021 22:17

I've had the carrot stand-off. Then mostly given up on actual veg. The wee sod casually mentioned eating carrots in something he made in school the other day. The amount of veg I have thrown away from his plate over the years... Going to try to get him more involved with cooking to see if this helps.

lulupooh · 11/05/2021 22:18

@arethereanyleftatall still not convinced that you have a healthy mindset when it comes to food and treats but have a medal 🏅 your kids like chickpeas and tapwater

iusedtohavechickens · 11/05/2021 22:19

With our foster children we put the veg on their plate, they can have pudding if they eat all of their food or in my current little ones case we give him an appropriate portion, he will say he doesn't like it without even trying but wants pudding so I section off a 1/4 and say if he eats that much he can have a pudding. This usually works and he's discovered he loves sweet corn and broccoli. As time goes on we will increase the amount he eats.
I was also told that you have to try a food 15 times before you can know if you really don't like it. If a child gags we don't force them to eat it as I would rather not clean up vomit! 😊

Mistressinthetulips · 11/05/2021 22:20

A few posters have said something along the lines of how bad it is to force a child to eat, and then also said they put veg out and expect the dc to at least try some. To make this happen I would have to force it. What's the difference between being forced to eat something and being expected to try it?

PattyPan · 11/05/2021 22:21

@00100001 ham is processed by definition, that's what differentiates it from just being a slice of pork.

ViciousJackdaw · 11/05/2021 22:23

I’ve blended veg hidden it in many mice dishes
Maybe your choice of meat is the issue here. Have you tried squirrel or gerbil instead?

00100001 · 11/05/2021 22:24

[quote PattyPan]@00100001 ham is processed by definition, that's what differentiates it from just being a slice of pork.[/quote]
Well all food is processed....

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