new June babies thread cos the other one is miles long...

[Skara]

...and I'm too lazy to scroll down to the bottom to do a reply

Secur I'm just as bad as you, I can't bear seeing him grow up - I love the newborn stage but then I love this stage too, they're so squidgy and gorgeous .

Xena, you can carry on breastfeeding once you've started solids and stop whenever you want, whether that's at 9 months, 12 months, 18 months, 2 years...I tend to get pregnant as a method of stopping bf, although I don't plan to do that this time - fancy a bigger age gap. However have spooked myself by realising how old I'm going to be by the time I've had all these children and got them settled at school - eek.

MG, I have gained a smidgen or two (5lb) since my lowest post-baby weight. I have NO idea why this time, although massive quantities of chocolate, sweeties, cake, biscuits and bread from my new breadmaker might have something to do with it. Think I may have to swallow my pride (why not, I've eaten everything else) and go to something like WW or Slimming World, argh . oops have to run, no2 is screeching at me from above...

Skara - I quite fancy a breadmaker but absolutely dare not buy one cos know what would happen as well!

Cathncait - dummy update. Did not use it at all today until around 6pm when I lost the will to live with the crying. Soon as it goes in he stops and is fine! Have sort of decided that he is still too sucky to withdraw it so I may not try again for a few weeks but I will definitely try and cut back druing the day as it's one less thing to worry about.

Spent a lovely day in park today and even managed to pack a picnic - makes up for all the times over summer I couldn't do it. I love that ds is not just a crying bundle (well not mostly) who smiles back at me and his family and strangers and that he can hold things with both hands etc etc. Now I can't wait for him to be able to sit up...but I am trying not to wish away our lives. My dd has matured so much over the summer alone that she seems so grown-up now in some ways, sniff, sniff.

'where is everybody?'

whew, moment of panic, found you again

glad you found your way to the new thread you two - I was getting a tired finger from scrolling down (and I wonder why I don't lose weight...can't even be bothered to exercise my fingers!). Have been home alone today from 5.30am so am feeling like the living dead having dragged everyone to and from school and to a friend's house for coffee, etc. Must go to bed with the small bedhog now - can't quite work out what I should have him wearing at night now it's getting colder. I am useless at this whole parenting lark .

Skara - you obviously need some more to practise on then . I've got mine in a vest, sleep suit and a grobag, even though the info with it infers this is overdressing him but he seemed cold last night without his vest as well and was restless. I vow every night to put him back in his cot but I keep falling asleep with him on my boob and wake up with sore shoulders and back! Maybe tonight...

Ah, a nice new thread!
MG - I really know what you mean about the crying - sometimes it just gets too much. On Wed we had a completely dummy free day with not too much crying either. and no dummy all night.....but then it was thursday and it was so hard to settle her at all - plus we were out and couldn't let her cry too much - so she had the dummy all day and even then was hard to settle! Last night though she did great. She has been waking at 2.30 for the last week for a feed (which is only 5-6 hours) when she was going till 4ish before that - but last night I heard her at 2.30 then she settled herself down and woke at 4.30 for a feed then back to sleep til 8.30! Now that I can live with! I don't know how much has to do with the dummy - maybe shes been having a growth spurt, who knows. Wow - sorry to go on so long. I do seem to remember it getting easier and easier to settle bub after a week or so - but it is so hard because it takes time and my dd1 starts to miss out of proper playing time with me - especially when Grace wakes up every 45mins. I feel like I'm putting her to sleep all day!
What I'm saying is...I kinow how you feel MG .
I too haven't lost any weight since the first week - maybe 1 kg. most of my clothes still don't fit and my boobs are huge! And its just coming into spring here so soon i won't be able to just cover up the flab. hmmm, might have to exercise! ha ha ha ha
Although I know what you all mean about missing that new born thing i really enjoy the next few months, watching them discover the world - not that that ends for a while. DD1 gets so excited now that Grace can touch her face and yells' grace touch me!' (in a happy way ). Theres nothing she likes better than getting in the cot with Grace or having Grace in hers. cute.
Gee, I have gone on a lot! You can probably tell they're both asleep at the moment - sure I could be cleaning the ferral mess that is my house but..... (its 1:40pm here by the way)

Cathncait - ok admit I am not being consistent as have tried another dummy free day (but not night yet) and so far it has gone well but he has had 2 sleeps in his buggy when he never has really needed it. Know what you mean about wanting to give dd attention as well. I've already today had to stop reading her a story cos ds was crying too loudly and I needed to settle him. I think I'm doing that guilty parent thing of buying her more presents than I should to make up for lack of attention at the moment - bad mummy. I have tried to explain to her that she will get more attention when ds settles down more.

But today dd was so sweet, she announced that she didn't want to give ds back and could we keep him - ah bless.

Cathncait - meant to ask, how are you settling dd instead - rocking, toy, music???

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OK, rash alert, everyone. Ava's got one on her torso & head. NHS direct said see GP, GP said see how she is over w/e. It's been there since yesterday, is not like meningitis one (phew). Is this common, oh expercienced ones? she's been a bit under the weather, I'm not really worried, but I am a bit - IYSWIM
(blatent plea for reassurance) could it be to do with the lurking tooth?

MG have also got dd in vest, sleepsuit & grobag, otherwise she's too cold in teh wee small hours. I think the makers of grobags live in v modern well insulated houses, not draughty ones in need of new windows like me

went to a lovely baby massage class today, except dd fed right though it.. oh well, there's a few quid down the drain

dp off tomorrow for 1 week holiday with his dd & db, so I'm off on sunday for 5 days with MIL to stay with my SIL!!! SIL is Italian & LOVES babies, MIL is French & LOVES her 1st grandchild. think I'm going to be the ref calling time out over who gets to hold dd! & fab home Italin cooking is going to be very good for weight loss plan

Oh good, glad to hear everyone is putting them in vest, sleepsuit and grobag too - and MG J ends up in with me every night too and I have the same sore/tight shoulders and back every morning but somehow no matter how many times I put him in his bedside cot he sneaks over .

Xena, I expect the rash is teething related or maybe a post-viral thing they seem to get a lot of the time when they're little. Mine did, anyway.

Cathncait, where in Aus are you? I have Darwin rellies over atm, who are desperately trying to lure me over to live there (and I am tempted!)

Hello All,

Nothing much to report at this end. All still well. Lily only wears a sleepsuit and is covered with one blanket in her cot. We reckon she has enough natural insulation to keep her warm! She is I am afraid in her own room so another bad mummy mark for me!

Hope you ladies fighting with the dummies are getting there.

Secur I am with you on the crying thing - if Lily having a 'grumble' as opposed to a proper cry and I am busy with DD1 I am afraid that she is left sometimes to get over it on her own. But to be fair you can work out which grumbles you can afford to ignore and which are going from 0 to 60 and are best headed off at the pass.

Xena you will probably find this is the first of many rashes, DD1 seemed to get a rash everytime she had even the slightest thing wrong with her. Hope it clears up over the weekend.

Hope you all have a nice weekend, I am heading out tomorrow night with the other girls from my NCT classes so will probably be hungover on Sunday.

Take care.

I'm on the wine tonight (bad mummy - A will have some of that tonight!) so please excuse any typos worse than usual. Yes I do leave A to cry but find it hard to play and listen to the noise - doesn't seem to bother dd at all. Dummy resolve went again at 5pm but he just seems to need a few minutes suck towards the end of the day so I'm not stressing out about it.

XenaWP - how scary for you but they are such sensitive souls they'll come up with everything going usually just to scare you. How is she?

Skara - do you still have the side of the cot completely off then? Do you have any gap at all with your bed? We do and I've had to stuff it with a towel but still thought it was one of out better investments.

A seems to have a cold or something. Hard to tell as he is just snorting away but no other signs really. Can't believe how noisy he is at night. Gomez - I think if we had a spare room I would have shipped him into it by now as we do tend to disturb each other.

I'm getting my hair cut tomorrow and can't wait! Have accidently let it get quite long and now fancy going for the chop. Also need to cover up the grey hairs my family are giving me.

Have a good weekend all.

going to bed as so tired I can't see straight but yes the side is off the cot MG and we have used towels too to squish the mattress against ours so there's no gap. Off to sleep now

hi again
MG - i settle dd by rocking her in my arms - and even then she has a good cry. i even had to settle her that way with the dummy - no crying then though. I am working on doing less and less slowly till eventually i will be able to put her down and do it on her own. She really is quite hard to settle compared to dd1. anyway, as far as dummy goes i have had a few dummy free days but then needed it early evening when she just gets too tired to settle (even with me walking her round etc.) But she defineatley is improving and our nights have been much better - 8pm - 4am then styraight back til 7.30am. Not bad i reckon!

Xena - my dd1 used to get a rash after everytime she had a virus - even had one once that looked like the bad one (whatever its called) and was admitted to hosipital overnight to check it. I always get it checked if i'm at all worried just to be sure - but saying that its never been anything bad at all.
Secur - if I finished doing stuff with dd1 before going to dd2 I would never leave her (dd1). She is one busy, constantly moving kid. I tell you I get so exausted with that one. She's either running or asleep - no in between!
Exciting news.... for me anyway. An extension that has been in the works for well over a year now (admitedly everything stopped for dh's illness for a while though) will be able to be used in 2 weeks time! Its not quite finished but enough to move crap in there! This means we can put opur bed in the main bedroom instead of the tiny one and Grace can be in her own room at last. I am looking forward to having some pace to get out of bed without falling over baby stuff! We have one more room to finish then all renos will be over - till the next bright idea comes along! And just incase you think we are building some kind of mansion - we really arn't we just have a really small house on a fairly large block and can't afford anything bigger so we are building what we can.
Ok think I'm am just waffleing now...so I will go

HI All,
I must be a bad mummy too then both of mine have been in there own rooms in the cot by 11wks.
Scott really seems to have got him self on a 12hr cycle. He wakes at 6am has a bottle, at 10am he has another bottle, , at 2 he has another bottle, by 5 he is wanting his bath, then he has his last bottle at 6 ish , then either falls to sleep having it , or once winded he is put in his cot and is asleep with in 5 mins, until 6am. he seems to nap as and when the fancy takes him during the day. He has water frequently through out the day also.
I took DD out for something to eat on friday night with friends and Scott just woiuldn't settle he screamed for about an hour, I didn't know what to do with him as he has never been in that state before. It turned out to be wind, I had changed the teats to a vari flow, this didn't agree with him so have gone back to the normal ones.

Xena, I hope DD is better.
Have any off you thought about what highchair etc. I know it will be a few months before they are in them but...... Do any of you use baby walkers I did with DD and I am not sure whether or not to use one for Scott. He loves his door bouncer though.

Dh is back next Saturaday and I can't wait as he has been away for 3 weeks already. I have been able to speak to him everyday though up until now, he has gone on excersise today so I won't be able to speak to him until Thursday night .
Cathncait-Glad to here your extension is nearly finished.

I am going to go and realx infront of the tv now before bed.

Hope you all had a good weekend.

K

(sorry about the waughling on!!!!)

Rash is gone & dd is back to happy, chatty self. Thanks to you all for reassurance, v much appreciated.

Karen - big for Scott's sleeping . DD's started waking in the night again, sometimes just making noise & sometimes seems hungry. Just when you think it's plain sailing... for high chairs, I thought initially would use baby chair (Chicco one), but later I'll need one that doesn't take space, so was thinking either one of those that sit in a big chair, or there's a really cheap one from Ikea where the legs come off.

CnC -well done on renov, would love to get work done on our flat, we may do the kitchen. I think the washing macine is about to give up the ghost with nappies being washed every day.

MG - have been back sliding on dummy with dd being crook, but hoping to cut down again now she's better.

DP off on holiday for 1 week, bonding with his dd & db. am too tired to miss him yet! my back is killing me- which has no relation to dp being away, am just slouching. went to Gap this pm, didn't even try anything on, too depressing. got lovely baby clothese in the sale, tho

XenaWP - I went into Gap but no sale on . Some quite nice babies clothes but the ones are like are soo expensive for someting they will grow out of so quickly (although dd grows taller and taller very quickly her tummy and waist stay the same so dresses and skirts last quite a while .

Karen I am also envious about Scott's sleeping and routine although Alex did a 9.5 hr stint last night before waking up at 5am and then back until 8:15am. My dh was out getting pi**ed until 5am. Um - could there be a connection here?? (and no snoring in stereo for a change ).

Cathncait, I'm also jealous of your extra space. We are falling over each other and the toys all day here and there's no separate room for A yet. I like the area but we can't afford a house here (bloody London prices)So no we won't be using a walker cos we have no room for a start!

Dummy update - I was back to letting him have it when tired today as we had friends round to whom I really really wanted to chat . But actually I feel fine about him having it (oh I know I will chanage my mind AGAIN tomorrow) and actually he seems to be at that 'can't decide whether to suck his hand or dummy' phase. The dummy won out at bedtime - just!

Oh well I should go to bed now but I just can't seem to get in before midnight cos it's ME time and I want to do other things apart from look after babies and chores (and dh has now gone out to work so can stay on the computer!).

Oh please excuse typos - I couldn't be bothered to preview and fingers are not working in tandem with brain.

Nights... DS is sleeping under a cot-size duvet. I know not supposed to use duvets yet, but he's in a bouncy seat & I think he can't possibly slip under it or get too hot if anything he kicks it off by morning, & wakes up early because cold. We don't have heating on, yet. Wears a vest & baby-gro, otherwise. Don't have a gro-bag in DS2's size (he's so long)... my other babies hated the gro-bags once they were rolling over age, so I'm not going to invest in the right size gro-bag just for baby 3 to hate it, too. Actually, I am trying to not buy him any clothes, he is outgrowing big brother's old clothes so quickly, anyway!

Will go to side-off-cot-next-to-our-bed system, too, when N. is bigger. Middle child was only recently turfed out of cot in our room, I don't want her jealous of N. in cot in our room, so the later he goes into it, the better.

I find that the school run is a really good opportunity to let N. grumble himself to sleep -- I can't hear him above the noise of children inthe playground!

Skara -- do you let your 5yo carry your youngest around? DH lets our oldest carry the baby for brief moments (20 seconds or so), but I worry it's not safe.

Cavy - In know how you feel with the carrying around. My DD will be 8 in two weeks ans I have only just allowed her to pick scott up from the floor, so that she can have a cuddle on the chair with him. So I probably wouldn't let a five year old walk about with a baby. I just think about things too much, like if a child fell holding a small baby and hurt the baby they would find it really hard to comprehend, and as children they are too young to take resoponsibility for such actions. Sorry if anyone disagrees but that is just my view on things.

I need some advice (reassurance really). My mum and I have never really been close due to circumstances when I was younger, which has left me feeling rejected since about the age of 12-13 once I was old enough to realise that my situstion wasn't the norm. I eventually bit the bullett last night and sent her an email and told her. (nicley though as I do not wish to upset her over things that happened in the past.) I do feel better as getting something off your chest that has been eating you up inside for 15 yrs is a big relief. Would you have done the same thing or just let bygons be bygones. I am not the type of person who bears a grudge, and I don't, I was emailing her due to something else and this just seem to fit in with the email, so I thought what the hell. I daren't phone her incase it has upset her, but she is a very hard woman, and unlike me doesn't dwell on things. I suppose I am just too sensative to some issues.
I did also mention that I know it all happened in the past and that is were i want it to stay but I just had to let her know that I have felt rejected by her in the past and that is a big part of some of my problems today.
Hope this makes sense.

Karen - if you were not being hurtful and you feel better then you did the right thing for you. IMHO your relationship can never be fully mended until you do face your demons, so to speak. But do you hope to get something else out of it apart from the relief of saying it? A better relationship? Hopefully that's what it will lead to. Good luck - has she replied yet?

MG - Mam has just sent me an email back and understands were I was coming from. Hopefully now it will bring us closer as there is not barrier.

Karen, well done you for sending the email . It is so scary to revisit things like that, but often it's so much 'better out than in'! Email or letters can also be a really good way of opening a painful subject, as to do it face to face would be too difficult & it's really hard to think and not just to react with all the emotion boiling around.
hope i don't sound preachy?

Thanks Xena.

I am starting to really feel it now with DH not been around, I was working out the other day he has only spent about 4 weeks with Scott out of 13 1/2 .

Hopefully he won't have to go away for a long time after this. I think I am feeling it more as I can't speak to him at the mo.

I have met some new people here so things aren't all that bad. I just spend a lot odf time on my msn messenger at the mo catching up from friends in the UK.

Hope you are all ok

HI all

Just been to the doctors and have been told that I have Group B Strep and another strep thing can't remember name., a bit pissed off as doctor said it is likely that I had this during the pg, luckly Scott doesn't have seem to have been infected.

Scotts just had his second set of jabs this morning, he seems fairly happy at the mo so hopefully will be OK.