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I am secretly very unreasonable about people who live in cities who do not vaccinate their children.

the only reason? Where's cholera then?

Although I agree with colditz but don;t thikn anyone wants another thread.

Best thing for a vaccinated child to be exposed to by the way can be a child incubating one of the childhood diseases they've been vaccinated against. Lovely, effective, natural booster.

Well, I've just one point to make then. Everyone who can have their child vaccinated, where there's no reason to suspect it could cause a problem, has a duty to do so. This is to protect children like Gess's and Hillls' who can't be vaccinated.

I think it's more complex than that.

However, if you know vaccinations are not 100% effective then surely you can understand why parents don't want to get them when they feel their child is at risk of vaccine damage?

i am not interested in a fight. i just want people to get their facts right. it is sad that some children are vaccine damaged. but it is NOT wise for all of us to decide not to do it. it will lead to deadly epidemics.

trouble is no attempt is made to pick up those who should be cautious though twinkle. I suspect ds2 might be fine with a cautious vaccination schedule, to the point where I might give him some soon, I strongly suspect that ds3 would have reponded very badly. But I have to try and piece this together myself, there are simple tests avaiable that would give a clearer picture. Incidentally when ds3 was hospitalised last year the consultants etc that we saw were questioning, but understanding about why he hadn't been vacciated. I didn't get any lectures at all (which surprised me).

please

Vaccines pose a great risk to certain groups, the huge dose is not tollerated by some small weak or sick babies, the megga dose of such deadly diseases are so strong for their little immune systems that in these groups the immune system has a very hard time coping with it, hence why these children/babies become damaged by the vaccine.

What about the parents who don't know their child will be at risk TM? Does everyone just have to do it and then tough if they end up with their own collateral damage?

Thing is, not everyone believes in vaccination for various reasons. And they are entitled not to be bulllied/judged by those who do.

sad? bit more than sad. It destroys lives.

i agree twinkle. i am not talking about children who are at high risk of being damaged.

It's such a difficult dilemma. I am worried about the MMR, still, but I'm more worried about the possible side effects of measles or mumps. The more people who don't vaccinate, the bigger risk it is not to vaccinate.

Sorry - grammar went a bit awry there. Hope I got the point across.

No but unless we tell those of you who are for vaccination our exact reasons for not vaccinating our children then we get called bad parents!! We dont want to harm our babies either.

I'm not calling anyone a bad parent for not vaccinating, unless it's because they can't be bothered (and I'm sure there are a fair few of those).

Not any of you though (I've got foot in mouth disease tonight I'm afraid )

yes electra, i also have the right not to be judged and bullied for having my own rational reasons for supporting the global vaccination of children.

i have lived in countries where children die like flies because they have not been vaccinated, because their parents can't afford it, that is also very much more than sad, don't you think ?

Yes but its still a personal choice, if they cant be bothered or not, we all want to do our best by our children, I woulndt put that stuff in my body let alone my childrens.

what evidence do you have that a lot of people don't do it because they can't be bothered though? It's easier to do it than not, and not doing it usually requires you to have thought a great deal about it.

No evidence at all. Agree it's probably easier to do it than not, although it does depend on you remembering to take them as in my area we don't get reminders.

I don't know which countries you mean yellowrose, but sometimes the effects of a disease have to do with other factors as well as vaccination.

I don't have a problem with anyone who supports vaccination and don't think I've ever said so.

poor countries where many babies are now no longer breastfed excl to 6 months (thanks to Nestle) so the baby loses his access to natural immunity from the mother's milk + no vaccination when older = serious illness or death.

i don't wish to name the countries. they do exist though.

thanks for the discussion, i am off.

I think the majority of people I know who haven;t vaccinated have vaccinated older children. They've stopped because of reactions their older children have had. They all worry about thier younger children being unvaccinated but don't feel they have any choice.

The only people I can think of who fall outside that group are the families I knew who attended Steiner schools, where the philosophy includes being wary about vaccination. Some had given some jabs (often tetanus) and not others. It's not that they're not bothered, they just have a very different philosophy from the mainstream. They're pretty self contained anyway.

I agree electra, if you decide not to vaccinate you get all the "Dont you realise" talk, Vaccination is not compulsory(sp?) in america they have a compensation payout for vaccine damaged children, it is well known about the side effects but its all covered up, the dr's get paid by the vaccine manufacturers, its all tied up. Its so hush hush we should be given all the information not the bits they want us to hear then perhaps we would be a bit more willing to put our blood on the line.

Those groups are not tested, babies are just given the jab on a trial and error basis. A test should be formed to see who is at risk from damage and who is not.

Even if we were not in the at risk section I would not vaccinate. I totally disagree with it all.

MaloryTowers I think you;re being unfair re the birth plans. I found that it really helped me with both of my DD's borths but more so the 2nd time around, it made me feel more in control - not so much whilst in labour but beforehand, it gave me something to focus on.

The baby on board stickers are always a tricky one and I have to say that for a long time I agreed with majority here, that is until I was nearly forced off the road by a wanker in an 18 wheeler lorry, maybe, just maybe he wouldn;t have been such a wanker had he have known a baby was on board, though who knows

And re the baby moniter - maybe you didn;t need one for your children, but again for many parents they are very reassuring, if a dinner party is ruined by a baby breathing sound on a moniter it can;t have been a great dinner party to begin with!

colditz reminds me of what my mum always said to me '... if you do that again/don;t do that, I'll rip your arm off and bash you with the soggy end!!!' Always loved that and have used that with children I've looked after they all thought it was hilarious