May Babies... part 2!

[GeorginaA]

... just because we can't stop yammering on

wow - just put dd infront of the dishwasher - instant silence! (it is on of course )

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Yes Twiglett, it's a copy of a letter from Andrew Fraser that seems to have been sent to all dr's surgeries. It has Scotish executive at the top of the page. It's dated September 2003, but I'm sure it's exactly word for word the same one that you read. I just got myself all excited because it was written there that they have to give me the infanrix if I ask for it.

Yes I am in Scotland, not far from Spots in fact, and after some more snooping about on the net last night found an article from the Scotsman Newspaper dated March 2004 which says "while DTaP is available in Scotland to parents who specifically ask for it, dr's are advised to give the cheaper DTwP jab to parents unless the raise questions." I've printed the article and I'm going to highlight all the points that are relevent. I'll bet though that I'll do that and be all prepared and then when I go in next week the DR will just say yes you can have it, lol We'll see what happens. Dd1 had DTwP when she got her jabs and she's perfectly ok and when she had her jabs I didn't know that there was any alternative.

WUUUUUUHHHHHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO....dd slept from 8pm to 3am......7 hours

forgot to say, she put on 10 1/2oz this week! fat monster.

where is everyone?! i've had real trouble accessing any websites today - including this one.

hope all is well. am about to speak to mil's friend who is a practice nurse - she currently carries out immunisations on babies, so want to hear what her opinion is on DTwP/DTaP

well dd's 7 hourly stretch didnt continue into last night have a theory evolving about her last feed and the length of time she sleeps. just re-testing it tonight then will let you know!

Not much to report here, really. Ds2 was being really cute today though - he managed to grab the top of his dungarees to manoever it better into his mouth so he could suck away on it... soggy but very cute!

He's consistently waking around 5am now which is quite nice. We were even brave enough to leave him with his grandparents last night and venture out to the cinema to see Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban!

thats what we said we'd do georgina! dying to see the film - well dh is more

dd now in bed, having squirmed out of her swaddling to suck on her finger - very noisy, bless. she is a little darling now. bashing away at her toys on her bouncy chair and playmat for up to an hour, smiley and chatty - so cute

Everyone's babies seem to be coming on so much now. DD has really got to grips with her rattle and she loves practicing pulling up to a sitting position. She has a funny wispy bit of hair on the top of her head and a gorgeous lop-sided smile complete with a little dimple.

Its funny really because she is an angel child at bedtime/night but the devil in a morning and OK in an afternoon. She has a bath with DS which she enjoys, a breast feed and then goes to bed with some squawking sometimes but not a sound tonight. Then she wakes up once/twice in the night feeds and goes straight back in her cot with virtually no winding or settling. But in a morning she gets tired by about 8.30 am and will not entertain her cot. I can't get her to go down at all. And on the mornings when I've got DS as well and DH is not there(Mon, Fri & Sun) its a mjor challenge just to get the three of us dressed - which I have to do in order to get us out of the house so that DD will settle and I can do something with DS.

So any tips on a daytime sleep would be gratefully received.

Bozza I wish I could - we still have a dodgy 10-10.30am for no apparent reason (after morning nap). Not particularly hungry - appears tired, but refuses to extend that nap. Just have to ride it through best we can and remember that as ds2 gets older he'll be able to cope with less daytime sleep anyway.

Such a cop out I know, but it gets me through!

Hi

Egjypt, the swaddling helped a bit, she is still very restless and moves a lot but at least her arms dont fly about. The problem is because its been warm I'm afraid to swaddle her, also when we do swaddle her she escapes and then wakes herself up. I want to ideally get used to not being swaddled. Ive bought a grobag which were trying. When my mum has her she said she isnt that bad. She thinks i'm also a light sleeper and so i'm waking at the slightest movement. Maybe ear plugs will help
We get practised cries. e.g starts off quiet and broken crying, then gets a bit louder, and then gets proper crying. Its as if shes saying no that cry wasnt good enough ill try again, cry.. no neither was that one, cry.. ahh thats better, thats the one to get their attention
Bozza sorry cant give you any tips on day time sleep, same problem ourselves.

Not much to report here. Spent the weekend in a blur of visiting grandparents and great grandparents. DD was a angel baby on Friday and spent the day sat admiring the world from her pram.
I also woke this morning very happy as dd had gone from 1.30 until 8.30am with no feed. My happiness was soon shattered when dp told me that no I actually did feed her at 5.30am aswell. Mustve been sleeping through that one (Ive taken to sleeping in the spare room on a saturday and dp brings dd in for feeds. That way I dont get woken doing a midnight dummy search).
Also I couldnt convince dp that sex was best to be avoided at all costs and so sucommed to his charms armed with a tube of k y

dd2 doesn't sleep very well during the day here either. Night time is brilliant generally goes down around about 9/10pm and has started sleeping through to about 6.30am now. But she doesn't sleep well during the day. She sort of cat naps and will fall asleep on her mat but if I move her she wakes up. I don't want to leave her lying on her mat as dd1 is rampaging around and I'm worried that she'll stand on dd2. I've tried putting her in her moses basket when she seems tired but she'll only sleep for about half an hour then she's up again. Best way to get her to sleep during the day is to take her out in the pram.

Had a great day today though. She was awake when we went to my granny's at 4pm. Had her bottle there at 5pm and stayed awake and happy the whole time we were there. Amazing, usually screams while she's there but today she was full of stories and smiles and was happy just to lie on the floor and have a look around. Granny was very impressed.

I'm desperate to go see Harry Potter but they're only showing at our cinema at 2.30 and 5.30 now. Don't know if we're going to be able to go as it's easier for us to get a babysitter in the evenings.
Dh and I were supposed to be going to the movies last night to see Spiderman2, but he forgot to ask his mum to babysit so we didn't get to go. Instead he turned up after work with his brother in tow and lots of beer, I mentioned that we were supposed to be going out and he admitted that he totally forgot. I was so mad, it's not often he gets a Saturday night off and I'd so been looking forward to going all week. Oh well another time I guess.

Linnet, your DD2 sounds much like our DS1 - cannot make him nap much during the day, but he has those rare moments when we are either gadding about town or he goes into his bouncer for 30 mins - usually sleeps properly from 8-10pm until 4-5am with the occasional sleepy feed at 2am if he chooses. Cannot grumble with that!

We have also had a whole weekend of grannies and great grannies to last him a while (my grandmother was 90 this weekend) and one step-grannie was wearing such a powerful perfume that it has has made him a mardy-bottom all afternoon.
(I reeked of it the moment I took DS1 off her and could smell it all afternoon on him after so it was heavy going! - she should know better too with her knowledge of little ones) However, she's lovely and ace with DS1 so can't get cross but nonetheless can't help thinking cheers for that one! little monkey is still awake now which is unusual - too much stimulation or an inability to breathe may be the reason . . . families eh?!

Rough night for us last night. The grobag didnt prove to be that sucessful. DD went down at 9 after a feed and then started being restless at 12, I fed her at 12.30 and put her back down but she was still restless and grizzling. I fed her again at 1am and she then slept until 2 but then was restless until 3.30, fed her again and she went to sleep until 6am. At 6 I decided it was far too early to get up after so little sleep and so got her into bed with me. I dont think shes waking due to hunger as she doesnt seem to feed that much.
I always said I wouldnt do it due to sids risk. I was careful to make sure that no pillows were near her and I laid her on the quilt as she had a grobag on anyway. We slept until 8am.
I wish I could get the restlessness sorted. Its bad enough having to get up twice at night to feed let alone being woken every hour due to attempted noisy hand sucking and grizzling.
hope everyones nights were better.

quick question, what time does everyone go to bed?
Do you go to bed earlier due to night feeds etc.

poor thing libb!

dd sleeps on and off throughout the day. not such long naps as she used to, guess thats the price to pay as they get older. she does amuse herself alot more now, on her playmat and bouncychair though, so thats good. just cant seem to get her to sleep unless she sucks my finger. she doesnt like a dummy and she cant quite coordinate her own yet..although is trying very hard. bless. hope this fades as she finds her thumb (please)

i am finding that dd will sleep longer when put to bed (between 8-9) after a feed of ebm. she takes 6 oz of that and goes for a fair stretch - until 3am the other night . so instead of knackering myself out ebm each day i tried her on formula. she didnt sleep longer than 11pm anytimes and we did it for a week.....as soon as i gave her 5-6oz of ebm again she slept past 12. why?? she doesnt when fed on the breast, because i guess she just isnt taking enough milk. so to be sure she gets a good feed i am expressing, but cant be doing with that for much longer. any ideas how i can get dd to feed longer on the breast?

as for answers to daytime naps, only the car/pram or sling will send her into a proper sleep. oh, i tried the dishwasher - that worked well!

crossed posts kbaby - your dd sounds just like mine. i also sleep lightly and wriggling, hand sucking etc keeps me awake. she was awake from 5-6 after a feed at 4.30 this morning and i too put her in bed with me. actually i fed her whilst lying on my side and we both fell asleep for an hour. i really am seriously going to try and put her in her own room from next week, after i have been to stay at my mums. i think it will make a difference to my sleep. she will be kind of out of routine and unfamiliar anyway, so may as well start as soon as i come back..am in process of trying to find a cheap blackout blind to double the darkness in her room!

i go to bed about 9pm. or basically as soon as dd is definitely asleep. i cant go as soon as she goes as we often have 1/2 - 1 hour of sqwuaking. i am knackered

another quick question! for those of you whose d's 'go through the night', do you give a late night dream feed?

We had a grumpy 2 hours after his 2am feed and he has a slight rash on his face. Next time grannie is being hosed down in the garden before she comes in!

He was all smiles this morning after we both fell asleep on the sofa - it annoys me when I do that as I really want to encourage the whole sleeping in moses basket in bedroom scenario!

Egypt it was interesting to read about the formula versus ebm. My mum suggested I gave dd a bottle at bed time as she seems to sleep longer when she minds her. Ive bought cartons of formula to try this week. I cant face expressing as I already express 6 bottles for my mum on a friday night/saturday morn. Although if the formula doesnt make a difference ill be giving ebm a go.

wow you must hace superbreasts it takes me a day to express for just one 6oz bottle! how do you manage 6?

I don't do a late night feed now, and ds is usually going 8-8. I do think putting them in their own room helps - dd had a bad night last night - up with nightmares at 12, 1.30 and 3, and twice when I went to her I could hear snuffling and sucking noises coming from ds's room next door - but by the time I'd got dd settled he'd gone quiet again. So jsut because they are making noise doesn't mean they need you - and if you do respond to every murmer they are more likely to expect it in the future. Even if they are at the other end of the house if they want feeding you'll hear them.

Egypt - not sure you can get her to feed longer. Bottlefeeding is easier and quicker and less comforting (not that there's anything wrong with it - it's just plastic not a nice warm snuggly breast) so she is more likely to fall asleep feeding when bf. Only idea is to do a half feed in a sitaution where she will not fall asleep - so maybe feed with the lights on, or undressed (if you do bath before feed) or change her nappy half way through so that she wakes properly to take more milk. Or make expressing easier - have you tried just doing it after every feed - if you keep the pump on the bottle and put the whole thing in the fridge there isn't really any need to sterilise it each time.

Bozza - why are you getting dd dressed? Just shove her in the buggy in her sleepsuit, wrap a blanket round and go. Have you tried putting her in a sling and getting her to sleep like that (think you have but can't be bothered to trawl for details) One thing I used to do with dd was to put her in her cot straight after her morning feed, curtains open and let her play with her mobile and mirror whilst I got on with other stuff (obviously going in every 5 minutes or so to talk to her) she would just fall asleep herself after about an hour. BUt if I tried to put her in her cot and leave her once she was already tired and grumpy she'd fight sleep.

aha - putting the pump in the fridge hadnt occured to me - THANK YOU! i express whilst feeding, it's the only way i can really get a good flow. shall bf tonight as i cant express enough if i start now, and try to keep her awake.

dd will lay for ages on her playmat or in cot staring at mobile, BUT doesnt drift off to sleep on her own. when she gets tired she grumbles, even though she's been lying there since wide awake. it's like she's saying "i'm sleepy now mum, i need your sucky finger". i guess i should praps just leave her to cry it out, but i can't....