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Why why WHY do my kids do this?!!

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NoCapes · 08/02/2016 21:45

And how do I make it stop?!

Every single BASTARDING night we have this!

They're 4 & 6, bedtime has always been a nightmare, particularly the 6 year old. In the past I've been known to still be sitting on his bedroom floor at 2am (from 7pm) sometimes with him still awake.
The 4 year old has on the whole been pretty good, but then of course started copying her brother.

Things got better for a while, then within the last 12/18 months or so we've been on a downward spiral and I'm about at breaking point.

They go to bed fine, 4 year old goes first; story, milk, kisses, goodnight. Then the same for the 6 year old, all lovely.
Then it begins.
Up, down, in and out of each other's bedrooms, shouting down the stairs oh God the shouting down the stairs - "they need water they need a wee they need a poo they need their in-haler they need a teddy they need a different teddy DS is shouting DD is shouting" and on and on and on...

But the worst part is - they need a response!
So it's "I'm going to the toilet!...Mum! I'm going to the toilet! Muuuuum I'm having a wee! Muuuuum! Mum! Mum! Mum!"
WHY!?!?!?! Just go to the fucking toilet!!!!! No-one cares!!!!!!!!! AngryAngryAngry

We have a new baby and I'm constantly waking him up just shouting "shush" up the stairs! It is a fucking joke!!

I am seriously at the end of my tether and by about 9:20 tonight I was half way out of the door!
Someone please help me?!!

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Soooosie · 12/02/2016 14:52

This is how I manage. Make a list of every thing they could ask for. Go through it with them every night before bed. Make them tick things off as they do them - eat, drink, wee. Tell them that they can't ask for anything else but if they want yo go for a wee, do it silently. ... Finally put them to bed with books to look at and a dim torch. Let them read/look at books till they drop. Sit outside the bedrooms. If they are noisy separate them and put one on the floor on your bedroom temporarily. Reward good behaviour with a treat if some sort.

timelytess · 12/02/2016 14:57

They aren't creating drama. They want you. You are their security. They have been 'put away' for the night, away from you, and they want you back. Why not have a quiet corner of the living room and put them 'to bed' there, and take them up to their own beds when you go to yours?

Chinks123 · 12/02/2016 15:00

The bedtime you've got set is fine, 9pm (in my opinion) is way too late!!! You need time to sit and relax especially with a new baby, not to mention kids need early bedtimes to be able to function the next day.

My DD is only 2 and is a brilliant sleeper so far (Trust me I know this probably won't last) but when we moved her into a big girls bed she did keep getting up messing/playing as toddlers do. We also did the no speaking thing, told her once it was bedtime and put her back in bed. Then after that we were silent, not mean, but just put her back in bed and didn't interact with her at all. She knew we weren't messing about and stopped getting out of bed.

I know at the age of your DCs it's different and a lot more difficult but I think it's the same sort of principle. Good luck, hope you get sleep soon SmileFlowers

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Ditsy4 · 12/02/2016 23:23

They want your attention. You have a new baby ...there is your answer! I would try a little later say 7:30. No DScomputer games for an hour or two before.
My kids routine was bath, bed, warm milky drink( try Horlicks) and I read them about three stories. We then put a story tape on to listen to and only the landing lights on. Any messing about meant they were separated. Weekends we took them for long walks and I mean long,about 6 to 8 miles up a fell. We didn't have to tell them to go to bed after that. We had peaceful evenings those nights the trouble was we wanted to go to bed early too!
Wait till they are teenagers and you are waiting to hear them come in safely ...at three am!
You have my sympathy it is hard work. I'm afraid ours had a smack bum if they got out more than once. My friend was the same. We didn't have to smack because they rarely got out more than once for the toilet.

BertieBotts · 12/02/2016 23:45

"Why not have a quiet corner of the living room and put them 'to bed' there, and take them up to their own beds when you go to yours?"

Er, have you ever actually met any four and six year olds? Confused

Haudyerwheesht · 13/02/2016 00:03

I have no advice but I feel your pain!!! Dd still needs me to sit with her until she's asleep and she's 5 BUT she falls asleep in 5 minutes flat so it's fine.

Ds though has just turned 9 (fucking NINE) and shouts down 'I need the toilet' 'can I get a drink?' 'Can I just tell you what happened in my book?' 'I'm scared ' 'I'm worried' and on and on.

fuck off

Also both my kids inform me of every mundane aspect for their existence every single day! Dd will say 'mummy I need a per' as if it's a question! I mean what the actual fuck is she telling me for?

Sorry just ranting there but really, why are kids such bloody arseholes? Sometimes I want to scream i am a person too you know like a deranged banshee but I can't because a/ they don't care and b/ I don't want to fucking talk to them!!!!! also it's too tragic to actually say out loud

And breathe!

Haudyerwheesht · 13/02/2016 00:04

*pee not per!

SharkSkinThing · 13/02/2016 06:51

How are you doing nocapes?

Just to add that we had this with our 5 yo DS but much worse in the morning from 5am. It's a killer and we frequently row/I frequently cry about it, so I really understand what you are going through.

We tried so much to make him stay in bed and every developmental milestone came and went with no improvement.

What has finally worked - and we are on day 5 so every chance it will go to cock soon - is trying a reward chart again. With cash. So a sticker each morning for staying in his room til 6am (he has a group clock) = £1. He's saving for a special toy.

Have tried reward charts before but never worked. I think he's just greedy old enough to understand it now! I'll be penniless but if it works, I don't care!

Good luck. Brew

SharkSkinThing · 13/02/2016 06:52

GRO clock!

Believeitornot · 13/02/2016 07:10

They've been doing this since you were pregnant - so they knew a baby was on the way?

Also please note the points out inhalers and you need to supervise their use.

Mine are 4&6 and we sit with them until they sleep - takes 10 mins. I also have introduced a bedtime story for them to listen to - so they lie in bed and listen to it in the dark.

LemonRedwood · 13/02/2016 07:13

Please ignore mathanxiety's advice about keeping the inhaler out of reach too. A child should know how and be able to administer their own inhaler and if they are having an attack in the middle of the night, they may not be able to come to you or call for you. Asthma can kill FFS.

nooka · 13/02/2016 07:22

I'm afraid we were just really fierce with our two (16moth gap, now teenagers). We gave them lots of attention before bedtime, stories, talking, sang a song to go to sleep to etc. Then we put on a CD of something relaxing (that we liked too!) and left them to it. If there was chatting after 10 mins or so I went in and told them off, with the threat of no more music. If they got up and out of their room we told them off (fiercely).

It might have helped that when they were small we lived in a flat and so our living room was very near to their bedroom. Harder for them to get away with messing about, and less hassle for us to tell them off (no need to go upstairs or yell).

Sounds very trying OP, and others with restless night children. We found that wind down time essential, I'm not surprised you are struggling! Hope it gets better soon.

FannyFifer · 13/02/2016 07:24

As the parent of two children who like to announce ever single fucking thing they are doing you have me sympathy.
"Mum I'm going for a wee"
"Mum I'm reading a book"
Mum, mum, mum, mum.
I don't care, just do whatever it is, I don't need informed, aaaahhhhhhhh!

ChristianGreysAnatomy · 13/02/2016 07:34

Honestly I would let them have one request each and after that, unless there is actual blood or vomit, I would say every time they come out of their rooms you take away one toy (but not the teddy they sleep with!).

I think must be a LOT meaner than other people here!

lighteningirl · 13/02/2016 07:39

Timelytess that's the worst parenting advice I have seen on mn were you joking?

BeaufortBelle · 13/02/2016 07:42

I agree with Ditsy. You have a new baby - Congratulations. They are unsettled and trying to be sure that they too are still the most important little people in your life.

If your DH is home in the evenings can he take over the baby for an hour so they have an hour of your dedicated time, the older one possibly half an hour extra. Even if it's just making hot chocolate (melting the choc and giving them a little jug each of hot milk to pour on) and dipping marshmallows with cocktail sticks. Alternatively as the nights have been so clear wrapping them up and either taking them for a walk to look at the stars and the moon or even doing it in the garden; or having some sparklers and hot sausages with mummy in the garden.

So, some special mum time, that is just for them and not baby related but which will be promised again if they go to bed nicely.

I think their little world has been rocked and so has yours and you are exhausted but they aren't bad boys and they aren't doing it on purpose - I thnk it's just a sub-conscious way of getting your attention in case you love the baby more. The thing is to make sure it doesn't become a habit.

NoCapes · 13/02/2016 10:00

Thank you all for the advice and my sympathies for everyone going through the same thing, although j have to admit I'm so glad it's not just me, everyone I talk to in real life just puts their kids to bed and doesn't see them until morning and they have no idea what I'm talking about!

A couple of you seem to have missed my update where I said this has been going on since before I was pregnant, it's pretty much been the whole of the 6 year olds life, so not baby related
We are very aware that it's been just them for a long time and we are on the look out for any signs that they're struggling with his arrival and on the whole they seem to be doing pretty well tbh, but maybe an extra 15/20 minutes here and there won't hurt so I might try to find that time

Lemon I agree, I think it's important that my child (it's only the 6 year old that has in-halers) can recognise when he needs to take his in-healer and can give it himself

And Timely what do you suggest I put them to bed in the corner of the room on? I'm afraid the dog bed is already occupied Confused

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liinyo · 13/02/2016 15:10

The bedtime seems fine to me. I think 9pm would be very late for little kids and quite apart from that, you need to have some downtime too.

Like other posters have said, this is attention seeking that seems have spiralled into very bad habits. It seems harsh to punish them for wanting their mum's attention. I think a star chart rewarding good behaviour would be more effective. Set realistic goals and dish out the stars accordingly and don't reward with food or stuff, but with extra Mummy time such as an extra story or a movie/cuddle night.

I know it is hard but once you have set the goals don't get sucked into the drama. No yelling, no shouting, just firm, boring, quiet.

Good luck

HelsBels3000 · 13/02/2016 16:39

This kind of thing drives me crazy too - I must admit to being quite firm angry when I am summoned back upstairs time and time again when it is my downtime. Both my DDs will mess about and find any excuse to shout down the stairs to us. My eldest DD has SN so it can be quite normal for her to be faffing about until quite late at night, paediatrician prescribed Melatonin for her eventually because even at 7yrs old, she still needs a good nights sleep and the tiredness for her in the morning was resulting in extreme grumpiness, surliness and bad behaviour. Things are better now, but I still have to do things like tie the pull cord for the bathroom light up out of reach so she can't go in there and faff about, and take away and electronic toys from her room or she would be up playing with them.

Passthecake30 · 13/02/2016 16:48

Mine have 18mths between them and I can honestly say they've never done this, I think we are too scary....!

I'd go with carrot/stick, reward chart and a bribe if they are good, no treats after warnings if they aren't...

TawnyGrisette · 13/02/2016 17:12

Well TimelyTess and Math's advice gave us a laugh here, anyway.

We used to tie DD's door shut with a tow-rope. Worked a treat; I'd recommend it, especially for Looki. Wink

PrimalLass · 13/02/2016 17:47

Honestly, at that age I just lay there with them until they went to sleep. It usually took 10 minutes.

IoraRua · 13/02/2016 18:07

Timely that is spectacularly bad advice.
OP it is attention seeking behaviour and pushing the boundaries that you will have to nip in the bud. Carrot/stick and a tangible reward scheme (I liked the pasta jar, and the marble one though I would remove marbles for breaking rules).
Crack the behaviour now and life will be much easier for all of you.

mathanxiety · 13/02/2016 18:28

9pm (in my opinion) is way too late!!! You need time to sit and relax especially with a new baby, not to mention kids need early bedtimes to be able to function the next day.

They are currently up and wide awake for hours after their bedtime according to the OP. (Apologies OP - I misread 'I've been known to still be sitting on his bedroom floor at 2am (from 7pm) sometimes with him still awake' as referring to the current situation). Even if not up til 2 am any more, what is going on is ridiculous.

Not all kids need early bedtimes. Yes, associations of medical professionals encourage a certain number of hours of sleep but there are some kids who can manage well on less. You can't just switch off your children at a time that is convenient for you and have 'me time'. I know there is a cultural expectation that this must happen, and a belief that it is a good and necessary thing, but it doesn't work for all families and it doesn't meet all children's needs.

You can't always have it both ways. You clearly can't have your relaxation time while the bedtime shenanigans are going on, and as well as that the children are awake well past 9 pm as things stand. A later bedtime for the children would be sane. They are not being worn out by very late nights, but you are being driven to exasperation by the circus that is going on now.

If what you are doing now isn't working then you need to go in a different direction. You can resign yourself to having wonderful me time in a few years.

You can also compromise, and train your children to be in the same room as you without demanding your full attention all the time. This can be achieved by all the family learning to sit peacefully together, each doing their own thing -- reading, drawing, listening to/watching/playing something with headphones. It takes a bit of work to make them do this, but the net result down the line is children who are happy to be in their own bedrooms without craving attention or demanding your acknowledgement (that they are using the loo, demanding water, etc). Sometimes the slower and more indirect route works best. This is because it addresses the children's needs.

This was the route I took, and my result was young children who pursued their own quiet interests in the sitting room in the evening while I read or took care of a baby (I have five DCs) and who then took to their beds at 9 or thereabouts, with never a peep out of them for the rest of the night. As they grew older they finished homework and helped with clearing up after dinner in that time.

Please ignore mathanxiety's advice about keeping the inhaler out of reach too. A child should know how and be able to administer their own inhaler and if they are having an attack in the middle of the night, they may not be able to come to you or call for you. Asthma can kill FFS.
I am sorry, but this is completely wrong and very dangerous.
Yes indeed, asthma can kill. Thanks for that reminder. I had two sisters at one point of my life. Two of my own DCs have asthma. I myself have adult onset disease. I am very well aware of the ins and outs of it.

No child of 6 should be left in control of their own inhaler use.
Here is why:

-- Overdosing on rescue inhaler can be fatal.
The non-fatal serious side effects of rescue inhalers include heart palpitations/racing heart, nausea and dizziness, tremor and nervousness, severe headache/high blood pressure all of which need to be monitored because all can eventually be fatal, depending on dosage and on the individual patient's susceptibility.
-- A parent needs to keep track of rescue inhaler use in order to note whether the asthma control is working and in order to be able to report frequency of attacks and inhaler use to the doctor. Keeping correct records of a child's asthma is essential to good management of the condition.
Therefore a parent must be prepared to monitor all attacks and all inhaler use.

The parent of a child with asthma that strikes at night needs to get a monitor and instruct the child to call out or make enough noise to summon help in case of an attack. A child who wakes coughing or wheezing or short of breath and who has time to get her inhaler has time to make a noise loud enough to be picked up by the monitor to summon you.

Incidentally, among the less serious side effects of inhaler use is insomnia/sleeplessness.

OP, the 6 yo in particular may underneath it all need to feel you are more of a support with the asthma. The experience of nighttime attacks can cause a lot of anxiety. You need to accept the reality that you should be physically there and available for him at night. Asthma has emotional side effects.

nooka · 13/02/2016 20:18

OP if you are going to think about changing bedtimes (not that I think you necessarily should) have you considered them both going to bed at the same time? My two are probably closer in age, but we found it worked well to keep everything pretty much the same for them. Their needs are likely pretty similar now and the four year old at least might settle better if there's nothing going on upstairs after you say goodnight to them both.

I guess there's probably two schools of thought when it comes to this type of thing. The firm boundaries approach and the child centred approach. I've always gone for plenty of attention in the daytime and as little as possible at night (including adult evening and early morning). It worked for us. Other approaches obviously work for other families. What seems clear is that you need some change otherwise your whole family will be exhausted and cross.