NCT ADMIT BEDNEST COT IS DANGEROUS WHEN SIDE HALF DOWN

[MandyP111]

I have just seen the NCT statement admitting that using the NCT Bednest cot with the side half-way down whilst you sleep next to the cot presents a risk of death to your baby!

However, this was exactly how NCT told parents to use it!

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20140722182813/www.nctshop.co.uk/Bednest-Bedside-Crib/productinfo/4364/)" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20140722182813/www.nctshop.co.uk/Bednest-Bedside-Crib/productinfo/4364/) - I takes time to load up.

NCT's warning can be found at: www.nct.org.uk/announcement-statement-use-bednest-crib

Bednest are now sending parents two screws and a screwdriver! www.bednest.com/Blog-Details?NewsID=NEWS-29112015225458

Op, I think you've had a hard time. I hadn't heard about this so your posts have brought it to my attention and I am 5 months pregnant.

Individuals and institutions have varying risk appetites. I can understand a zero risk preference with regard to babies. Doesn't matter that it's not possible, it's entirely human to aim for it.

Me, I'm not even going to buy the much mooted cocoon moses basket thingies, because I like my cots boring, with long, well established safety records. I am risk averse.

Fastday

I didn't see your other posts OP, but I agree that you're getting an unnecessarily hard time on this thread.

Your posting style is fairly robust, but I can completely understand that what appears to be an inadequate, lily-livered response to the death of a baby (as you have experienced the NCT to be) could enrage a person.

Part of the tragedy of this baby's death is that it could most likely have been prevented if the cot was being used differently to the way that the NCT suggested. I totally understand your anger at the organisations involved, especially since it's taken so long for them to take action.

Neither the NCT or Bedrest will take responsibility for the death of the baby, as they're not forced to by law.

It is different to the situations when babies die as a result of a parent turning their back while they're in one of those baby holder things, or they fall down a flight of stairs in their walker as there are explicit warnings telling parents not to leave a baby unattended or use in particular circumstances on those products.

Seems like the opposite was true on this one.

NCT did NOT, EVER tell people to use the cot in the dangerous way.

The half fold has been removed as a precaution. It is likely that it wasn't the half fold which was at fault. The half fold is present in a photograph on the NCT website, where the mother is awake and supervising the child. In the very tragic case in April, other factors were present and more likely to have been the issue than the half fold. Nevertheless, this has now been revoked as an extra precaution. Of course it's terrible that a baby died. The cot now carries a warning on the body of the item itself which was not present in the model the parents had. This was added as soon as Bednest heard about the tragedy, which occured because the parents had not received instructions when they bought the item second hand. Nobody has been slow on this.

You are being obsessive. If you are seriously upset over this you might want to see your GP because honestly it's not normal.

I think, and I mean this kindly OP, that you need to let this go. A horrible tragedy occurred when a unique set of circumstances combined in an unforeseeable way to lead to this baby's death. Pretty much everything can be dangerous in the wrong combination of circumstances.

Someone I know on FB recently shared a picture of a baby's foot where the baby nearly lost a toe after a loose thread on one of the socks got tangled around the baby's toe and caused the blood supply to cut off. This is not the same thing as saying that socks are dangerous. It is to illustrate the point that everything is potentially dangerous, even things as seemingly banal as socks. And you cannot similarly have expected the manufacturer of the socks to have foreseen that this was going to happen. It is the same with the bednest. You cannot possibly make everything completely risk free or foresee every possible risk or eventuality.

I'm sure if NCT / bednest would have been able to see into the future they would have done everything possible to make the product safer (not that I feel the product was directly at fault, as I say it was a unique combination of circumstances). If nothing else from their business interests alone any company manufacturing products for children would want them to be as safe as possible to avoid negative publicity.

So I reiterate again, in all kindness, please let it go, for the sake of your health and sanity.

And no before you say it, I am not a member of, nor work for, NCT.

I hired a Bednest last year when my son was an infant. The instructions specifically stated that the sides must be fully raised if the baby is left unattended. I don't see what is unclear about that. I certainly don't feel those instructions were misleading, nor do I feel I am owed an apology for the six months my son spent sleeping safely in that cot every night.

Disclaimer: I have no connection with NCT whatsoever.

I don't get the obsession with making the manufacturers and distributors say sorry for using a product quite happily with no ill effects. One tragic incident is a freak accident, not necessarily a design flaw. They are sending the kit out to force people to keep the side up, as a precaution, as they can't guarantee that people will follow the instructions not to leave the baby alone with it down and the guidelines to put their very young baby to sleep on their back only. I am frankly astonished that an 8 week old managed to push themselves up on their arms. None of mine would have been able to do that at 8 weeks, im sure of it.

Parenting is full of risk and narrow escapes anyway. When you have one you take a deep breath, thank your lucky stars, adjust where necessary and move on. You seem to think anyone using the bednest with the side half down has narrowly avoided their baby's death. Even if this were the case, it didnt happen, so surely all resources should be spent on helping the poor couple whose baby died and issuing more extensive guidelines, not apologising to people who have had no problems using it.

I went to nct classes 10 years ago but that the extent of my involvement.

I've always been a bit confused about what happened here- is the cot not pushed up against the bed? Was there a gap that shouldn't have been there?

I have a chicco next to me which is similar and I can't work out how the poor baby's head could've ended up over the other side.

I didn't see your other posts OP, but I agree that you're getting an unnecessarily hard time on this thread.
OP calls people stupid and is getting a hard time? This is at least the third in a string of irrational posts where it ultimately decends into name calling from OP when people disagree with her.

I think the baby tragically managed to pull herself up on the lowered side, lemonfizzy. She wouldn't have been able to do this if the side had been raised to full height.

One of OP's issues is that the NCT used a photograph of a sleeping mother next to a baby in a cot which had the side lowered to advertise the product. Bedrest are now sending out screwdrivers and screws to people who have purchased it, presumably so that it can be secured at full height.

I assume OP has a particularly personal reason to be so invested and upset about this. I get this. My baby died as she was very poorly. If there was even a sniff of a chance that this could have been prevented (it couldn't in my case), it would drive me demented too.

Take care OP.

You've very welcome to a different opinion, crumbly whilst I think OP has been given an unnecessarily hard time.

Because calling people idiots and referring they have a low IQ is fine behaviour.

I assume OP has a particularly personal reason to be so invested and upset about this

She has said she hasn't and that she's only really here to say "I told you so". I'm not sure that can be right though.

My mum had a great phrase about being 'the only one in the regiment in step'. This exactly fits the OP. Everyone else disagrees with her but she persists in her misguided view. Really no point in engaging in the discussion as she's clearly not going to listen to the massed ranks of common sense.

Um, I don't disagree with the degree of utter, demented, deranged rage and disturbance that the death of a baby can cause. In fact, I get this completely.

I didn't express my rage on MN, but I do get where OP is coming from.

I also think OP has some valid points, albeit expressed a bit robustly.

christina I am so sorry for your loss.

The OP said in her previous thread that her original query arose when a friend offered to lend her a bednest and she did some research on line. She then emailed the NCT about the tragic case and they didn't get back to her, or didn't get back to her with a satisfactory answer, I can't remember which.

I'll see if I can find the thread.

But this wasn't the OP's baby or a family member.

There were two threads. Here's the longer one

I would understand completely if it had been her child having lost a child myself, but it was not. She had no link or relationship to the baby.

"She then emailed the NCT about the tragic case"

And felt that the organisation should discuss the specific incident with members of the public unconnected to it, before a full report had been made?

maisie
Thanks for the link. Within it is a link to an article on Made for Mums which summarises the coroners report and also the response from the manufacturer and NCT

As well as overtilting the cot, and laying the baby on her front, the parents had put a new mattress in it which was higher than the official one, so mean the baby was raised up towards the side when it was partially down.

The instructions were missing but there was a label on the cot warning of death or serious injury if the baby was left unsupervised in the cot when tilted or with the side down

I can only presume the OP hasn't read this, because it basic undermines her entire rant argument and shows this really was just a tragic accident as a result of the instructions being repeatedly ignored.

www.madeformums.com/news-and-gossip/bednest-nct-stops-selling-bedside-crib-following-death-of-7-week-old-baby/37770.html

Thank-you maisie.

As I've said, I do get OP's emotional state, even if it's misdirected.

I don't think she needs to go to her GP or take valium or any of the other suggestions that have been made up thread. As it's only this she posts these emotional threads about, it's fair to assume that this has some resonance with her own grief, somewhere.

nanmy mum says "They're all out of step except our Jimmy"