NCT ADMIT BEDNEST COT IS DANGEROUS WHEN SIDE HALF DOWN

[MandyP111]

I have just seen the NCT statement admitting that using the NCT Bednest cot with the side half-way down whilst you sleep next to the cot presents a risk of death to your baby!

However, this was exactly how NCT told parents to use it!

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NCT's warning can be found at: www.nct.org.uk/announcement-statement-use-bednest-crib

Bednest are now sending parents two screws and a screwdriver! www.bednest.com/Blog-Details?NewsID=NEWS-29112015225458

It appears that TheSecondViola may be someone working in NCT's PR department!

Presumably once a baby can roll over on their own they are therefore strong enough to lift their own neck off of the half folded side if they happened to get stuck. Correct me if i'm wrong but this baby was placed on its front and could only lift its head enough to get it over the side and couldn't get it back? Its a tragedy but an ACCIDENT.

I received an email from bed nest and the NCT at the beginning of last week regarding the new advice and detailing how to order the safety kit.

What would YOU have liked them to do?

Honestly OP, I don't know what is going on in your life or your health, but I think you need help and support and to step away from these threads.

I remember your last one. You are behaving in a way that is obsessive and quite unnerving - especially since all your anger seems to be directed at one stockist of a product they didn't make (I'm not quite sure why).

What result is it that would actually satisfy you now? What do you want to happen?

I'm going to go out on a limb and say no one here works for NCT or Bed Nest. That is a very odd assumption to make just because people don't agree with you.

If a company sells, markets and instructs parents to use a product for babies in a way that exposes a baby to a risk of death, and which leads to the death of a baby, to then wait 7 months before warning thousands of mums about the risk, then a public apology should be the bare minimum.

Yes we are all grateful for Bednest waiting even longer and sending us 2 screws and a screwdriver (I am not joking this is what Bednest are doing) to remove the half-fold and to effectively change the design of the cot. It is just a shame that this only happened after a baby died.

So what do I want them to do, how about publicly apologising to all parents who have been using the cot in a way that they now admit is dangerous and to the parents of the baby who died?

Their silence has led to these poor parents being blamed by idiots in chatrooms. Outrageous!

Yes why the obsession with the NCT and not bed nest? I and many others got theirs from Bednest directly. What is your specific issue with NCT?

NCT is not a stockist - It was a jointly branded product with Bednest. It was part of their Select range.

It was known as the NCT Bednest. Not the 'Argos' or 'Sainsbury's bednest.

Why is this so difficult for people to understand?

One can understand a greedy company just being interest of makings lots of money from a dangerous cot and not caring about the risk of death to babies.

Can the same really be said about a leading childcare charity? Do you understand the difference?

Why is this so difficult for people to understand?

Because you're ranting. You've also called us idiots so my interest in understanding you is pretty minimal

I have only called people who have blamed the parents for the death of their baby idiots. Are you saying that you are one of these people?

I'm not sure that young babies could be expected to migrate to the edge of the bed nest, push up on their arms, lift their heads over the edge and then rest on that edge without being able to reverse this action. In which case, the company had not been negligently supplying a lethal cot. Now that they know it is dangerous they have taken all steps to rectify it.

I don't think anyone is blaming the parents for what happened.

But the cot was used in multiple ways against the instructions. It would have been very difficult to foresee (perhaps impossible to foresee) that doing so would have the tragic consequences it did.

Now that that tragedy has occurred, the company has undertaken further tests and taken steps to stop the product being used in that way. This isn't the first action taken - wasn't it immediately withdrawn from sale?

OP, very gently, was this your child or a family member's child?

Well you may not be sure, but NCT admits there is a risk of death, as this is why they have made the press release and why Bednest is now sending out 2 screws and a screwdriver to prevent the half-way fold.

Their steps to rectify the cot doesn't really help the parents whose baby died or amount to an apology to all other mums who have been using the cot in a dangerous way does it?

On what basis do you think they should have anticipated this before the accident?

I'll say again OP, was this a child close to you? Because I think it might be in your best interests to get some real life help. I don't think posting on here is going to help you.

But they DID NOT TELL PARENTS TO USE IT IN THE WAY IT WAS USED IN THAT CASE.
So your main premise is entirely wrong.

It was an accident. But the parents actions contributed to that accident, unfortunately. I'm sure they are well aware of that, it must be awful. You're not helping anyone though.

Their silence has led to these poor parents being blamed by idiots in chatrooms. Outrageous!
No, you ranting and raving has led to their tragedy being talked about in this way. Your fault.

I hope you are OK OP. Did you have a connection with the family who suffered this tragedy? Perhaps you have had a loss of a child. I did and if that is the case I do understand that events like this can trigger complicated and painful feelings.

Given the age this product is used for, I don't think it's a design flaw. Very sorry to hear there was a tragedy but surely a freak accident not wilful neglect. I think you need to take some time to calm down op.

If an expert had been asked before the 'accident' whether a baby could have died in the way that NCT now admit is possible, then they would have been given the answer wouldn't they? Nothing has changed before or after the death has it. I hope that answers your question about prevention of deaths.

I feel strongly about this because of the crap I received for first posting that NCT was refusing to answer the question of whether the NCT Bednest was safe.

Rather than answer my question, NCT wait months and then admit it is dangerous.

Notwithstanding NCT's admission, I am still getting crap for simply informing people of NCT's warning that the cot is dangerous!

If an expert had been asked before the 'accident' whether a baby could have died in the way that NCT now admit is possible, then they would have been given the answer wouldn't they?

Not necessarily. Why do you think one follows the other?

It is perfectly possible that they would have said they didn't think it was possible.

It's also not necessarily the job of a product manufacturer to make sure that the product is safe when used expressly against advice. That's why advice exists - to use a product safely. If I put my child in a car seat and don't do the straps up, sadly the fact my child falls out when I brake sharply is not because the seat wasn't designed properly.

You're not just warning people of the new information though.

Was this all sparked by someone giving you a second hand one recently? You seem utterly obsessed.

TheSecondViola

Please have a look at the picture I posted above?

This is how NCT told parents to use the cot - now - carefully - read their admission that using the cot in this way poses a risk of death to a baby.

Why is this so difficult for you to accept? NCT payroll?

I feel strongly about this because of the crap I received for first posting that NCT was refusing to answer the question of whether the NCT Bednest was safe.

I saw that thread. You weren't asking the NCT for advice on purchasing or using a bed nest. You were ranting because you wanted a detailed breakdown on the use of existing secondhand bed nests when they had already withdrawn the product from sale and were investigating.

The instructions that come with the bednest if you get one are quite clear that baby should not be left unattended with side half way up. Pictures they used to use (but now don't) are misleading on this, but instructions aren't. This has now been remedied. I love mine - it's been a god send.

The parents misused the cot.

They also laid the baby down to sleep on her tummy.

These two factors contributed to this sad accident. It's very unusual for such a young baby to have sufficient neck strength to raise their head up high enough to get over the cot side at half mast (and it IS quite high, I have a Bednest sitting three feet away from me as I type), although I'd say it's easier for a baby to manage it when placed on their tummy.

But, OP, I know you're more interested in frothing at the mouth than listening to people, so I'll hit Post and then hide the thread.

Please have a look at the picture I posted above?

The one with the bed nest flat (not tilted)? With the baby on their back (not front)?