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NCT ADMIT BEDNEST COT IS DANGEROUS WHEN SIDE HALF DOWN

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MandyP111 · 02/12/2015 11:11

I have just seen the NCT statement admitting that using the NCT Bednest cot with the side half-way down whilst you sleep next to the cot presents a risk of death to your baby!

However, this was exactly how NCT told parents to use it!

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20140722182813/www.nctshop.co.uk/Bednest-Bedside-Crib/productinfo/4364/)" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20140722182813/www.nctshop.co.uk/Bednest-Bedside-Crib/productinfo/4364/) - I takes time to load up.

NCT's warning can be found at: www.nct.org.uk/announcement-statement-use-bednest-crib

Bednest are now sending parents two screws and a screwdriver! www.bednest.com/Blog-Details?NewsID=NEWS-29112015225458

NCT ADMIT BEDNEST COT IS DANGEROUS WHEN SIDE HALF DOWN
NCT ADMIT BEDNEST COT IS DANGEROUS WHEN SIDE HALF DOWN
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Pantone363 · 03/12/2015 13:00

OP I was one of those parents who used the bednest 'incorrectly'. I don't feel angry with the NCT or bednest. I'm a mother to 4 DC and I could never have imagined a baby under 6 mthis managing to get into that position and injure themselves. And after 4 children I like to think I'm quite good at seeing accidents before they even happen. It was a tragic accident which had multiple factors one of which was the cot. That's not to blame the parents NOBODY could have foreseen that happening.

For what it's worth it isn't a NCT bednest. Bednest is a company in their own right. This is who I rented the crib off and nowhere on their sit is the cot branded as NCT.

NCT ADMIT BEDNEST COT IS DANGEROUS WHEN SIDE HALF DOWN
Pantone363 · 03/12/2015 13:03

And noI don't work for the NCT or bednest.

OP look you're clearly angry and upset. If there is something else that is affecting you please feel free to discuss it on the site. Lots of members here have suffered a loss and could offer support.

Also I'd like to take back calling you unhinged earlier. That was unnecessary.

MandyP111 · 03/12/2015 13:03

LibrariesgaveusP0wer

You are again suggesting the baby died as a result of the parents' not using the cot properly.

From reading the report, the baby died as a result of getting its head over the edge of the cot in precisely the same way that NCT admits poses a risk of death.

NCT and Bednest told parents to use the product in this way. So the picture I originally posted.

The parents had the baby in the prone position, but unless you are saying that when a baby turns over the cot becomes lethal, this is a non-point. Babies should be on their back to reduce SIDS not prevent them from dying in dangerous cots.

The tilt issue (3cm) appears to have no bearing on any of this.

So it all boils down to a dangerous cot being jointly marketed by NCT/Bednest to be used in a way that has always posed a risk of death to babies and which they have only just admitted to.

If you consider the list of facts above as ranting - I apologise.

But everyone seems intent on blaming the parents for the death of their child, when all the parents did is use the cot in the way NCT and Bednest told them to do.

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VagueIdeas · 03/12/2015 13:04

See, it really is astonishing that an eight week old baby was able to get their head over the side.

If she'd been on her back, I'm pretty sure it would have been impossible.

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Pantone363 · 03/12/2015 13:06

They didn't tell them to! They said it could be used that way. Along side the side being completely up or completely down! They didn't say "leave your baby on its stomach with the side half up". The photo is a marketing aid to show hoe it can be used. Not how it HAS to be used.

Pantone363 · 03/12/2015 13:06

Vague, yes the fact a baby managed to do that is a freak accident.

LibrariesgaveusP0wer · 03/12/2015 13:08

Op - is this your baby? Is this the baby of a family member or friend?

NO ONE is blaming the parents. It was a highly unforeseeable accident. Unfortunately, part of the reason it happened is that the cot wasn't used correctly.

Sometimes, freak accidents happen. Sometimes it only becomes clear that a freak accident could even possibly happen when it does. That is awful, absolutely awful. But you seem to have got the idea in your head that all companies should have absolute foresight of the unforeseeable. That isn't how life works. Getting angry and blaming them doesn't achieve anything.

MandyP111 · 03/12/2015 13:09

VagueIdeas

The picture you posted is taken from someone looking from the cot from the outside.

I hope this picture answers your question.

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Pantone363 · 03/12/2015 13:09

I don't think OP is going to answer that question but clearly there is an underlying issue here.

MandyP111 · 03/12/2015 13:12

Sorry, no I am not the mother of the baby who died.

As I said I am responding to everyone who attacked me when I originally posted the fact NCT refused to answer a very basic question about whether the cot was safe to use and to inform them that NCT eventually admitted the cot is dangerous.

I hope that answers your question.

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Sharoncatastrophe · 03/12/2015 13:17

OP I don't understand why you think everyone works for NCT. I hired someone recently who worked for NCT. It's a tiny organisation. The chances are minimal anyone here works for them, honestly.

VagueIdeas · 03/12/2015 13:18

*VagueIdeas

The picture you posted is taken from someone looking from the cot from the outside.

I hope this picture answers your question.*

That picture is of my Bednest in my bedroom right now.

I'm not sure what you're trying to illustrate with that promotional photo?

My point remains that the sheer fact of this baby having the strength to lift her head over a 13cm cot side is highly unusual, unpredictable, and because she was placed to sleep on her tummy.

sparechange · 03/12/2015 13:19

OP,

Your ranting is vey counterproductive. People aren't going to take heed of advice given so aggressively.

Your point is fundementally flawed and there is no conspiracy here

NCT and the manufacturer did the responsible thing and consulted experts to see if this was a freak accident or a fundemental design flaw.

It is entirely possible that something can be used according to manufacturers instructions, and then for tragedies to happen. It happens far more regularly with car seats, but I don't see you ranting and raving about those.

The fact that thousands of these have been sold, and this is the only incident suggests to me it was a freak accident, but that the advice has been changed to be super cautious.
Yes, your counter argument will be 'one death is one too many' but you can't say how many deaths have been prevented by parents having the side half down, so it is a moot point.

Clearly you feel passionately about it but you need also to be a bit more rational about it and accept that accidents happen and not every tragedy can be prevented. I say this as someone who has had a still birth and spent months raking over every single thing i did, ate, drank and touched and wished I'd done things differently. It is natural to want to find someone or something to blame, but that isn't always possible.

MandyP111 · 03/12/2015 13:19

LibrariesgaveusP0wer

It was unforeseeable because no one appears to have asked an expert whether a baby would be able to get its head over the edge of the half-way fold.

From reading NCT/Bednest's website - they only had a furniture testing company to check the cot out.

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fastdaytears · 03/12/2015 13:21

But Mandy everything in your house is dangerous.

I'm not blaming bereaved parents but they didn't follow the guidance available at the time. That did contribute to the death. It's so tragic.

As a result, the guidance has been improved. Safety guidance is improved all the time which is a good thing, but we'll never get to the point where no babies (or adults) die in accidents at home.

MandyP111 · 03/12/2015 13:22

I do not believe I have said anything that is remotely irrational.

All I have done is state indisputable facts, which people appear to be unable to accept.

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fastdaytears · 03/12/2015 13:24

I do not believe I have said anything that is remotely irrational ok but a lot of people with no reason to be biased are saying that you have and that you are not looking at this from a normal standpoint.

Very pleased to hear you're not personally connected to this case.

Do we know if the parents have brought a claim?

LibrariesgaveusP0wer · 03/12/2015 13:25

It was unforeseeable because no one appears to have asked an expert whether a baby would be able to get its head over the edge of the half-way fold.

And you believe that, had such an expert been consulted, they would have said yes? What's your basis for that? Who should they have asked - a paediatrician?

You aren't the mother, but from your indirect answer I'm guessing maybe this is a family baby? I'm really, truly sorry for your loss. But ranting at a company isn't going to do anything.

TheSecondViola · 03/12/2015 13:31

You are talking about it all as if there was some kind of conspiracy, though. As if the NCT on purpose sold dangerous equipment, and that is simply not true.

The design of the cot IN CONJUNCTION with method of usage in that case contributed to an unforseeable accident. And now they are doing what they can to make sure it doesn't happen again.

You're not doing that. You're not helping at all.

MandyP111 · 03/12/2015 13:31

This is not a personal matter in the sense I am connected to the family.

The way it has become 'personal' is because people have repeatedly attacked me for informing them of indisputable facts - heaven forbid that anyone suggests that NCT or Bednest are at fault.

I would like to think that when someone sells a product to be used by babies, where will be left unsupervised for a number of hours (i.e. whether at night etc) that someone has carefully considered whether the product is safe.

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sparechange · 03/12/2015 13:32

Ok, if you really want to nitpick about rational, your thread title is irrational.
Something that poses a risk of death isn't automatically dangerous. Something that poses a minuscule risk of death when someone also ignores advice definitely isn't dangerous.

And you are calling for them to apologise to the parents of children who are totally fine and had nothing happen to them.

Should car seat manufacturers also apologise to the parents of children who have happily used seats with no ill effects, just because if used incorrectly, a child can die?

MandyP111 · 03/12/2015 13:32

The only reason why many people in this thread are aware of this is because of my post. So I think I have helped.

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LibrariesgaveusP0wer · 03/12/2015 13:34

No. I think you'll find pretty much everyone on this thread was already aware before your post. I certainly was (and my youngest is well past this stage).

MandyP111 · 03/12/2015 13:35

If someone has been happily using a product for their baby in the belief that it is safe because the company has told them it is safe, only to be then told that it is actually poses risk of death, yes I would except someone to apologise to them.

So to answer your question, yes a car seat manufacturer should apologise if their product is dangerous.

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LibrariesgaveusP0wer · 03/12/2015 13:37

So to answer your question, yes a car seat manufacturer should apologise if their product is dangerous.

That wasn't the question. It was whether a manufacturer should apologise to everyone if the seat is dangerous if not used according to instructions.

If a seat is dangerous if you strap it in incorrectly, should the manufacturer issue a blanket apology?

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