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Terrible life with adult daughter

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sarah166 · 27/04/2011 18:20

This is going to sound ridiculous but I am putting it out here in the hope that someone can help me. I am really at the end of my tether. Granted, it has taken me a long, long time to get there, but I am finally there and I need some help otherwise I really am going to go mad.

Me and DH have two daughters aged 17 and 24, both still living at home. The older one has always been very challenging from being a toddler. She went though the terrible teens phase, well, terribly. Looking back, I suppose she never did anything that bad- lying, drinking, smoking and mega-tantrums, possibly all normal for some teenagers, but believe me, if you were there at the time it was simply awful.

When she was about 17, it looked like she had turned a corner. She took her A Levels and got a place at college and settled down to do her degree. As she was still living at home (her choice, the option to go away to study was always there) it wasn't always easy to say the least but she graduated but since then, it has all gone downhill.

She hasn't been able to hold down a job since she graduated and although she has been made redundant a couple of times, she has mostly been sacked a few weeks (or even days) into the job for lateness, rudeness, laziness or similar. The longest she has ever held down a job was for six months. Her attitude towards work stinks, quite frankly. Now she is unemployed and although she is applying for jobs and does get a few interviews, I don't really expect her to get a job any time soon. She won't apply for jobs outside the local area as she says "it costs thousands to move towns" She has never made any financial contribution here, as even when she was working, she said she needed pretty much all of her money for her car, petrol etc and she would start paying board when she had paid of her (relatively modest) overdraft, which she never did. In hindsight we know we should have made her pay even a modest amount of board, but we were trying to help her on her way financially after uni. She has no intention of moving out as not only is she in no financial position to do so, she is mean beyond belief and would not pay rent on a house or for bills and groceries when she can live here for free.

Her opinions and views on life, which she has no qualms about expressing to pretty much anyone, are sometimes beyond belief. The other day she parked in a parent and child bay at the supermarket and when a member of the public took her to task over this she replied "I will park where I want".

She regularly has tantrums over nothing and the other week she trashed her sister's bedroom because someone had finished off a packet of biscuits. She shouts and screams every day over nothing and constantly rants about her life as soon as either me or her dad get in from work.

I am not saying me and my husband did everything right but I honestly do not know why she is like she is. My younger daughter certainly has her moments but she is a good kid, works hard at college and is well-liked. My two sisters and my nieces and nephews simply cannot stand my older daughter and find it difficult to spend any time with her. This is awkward as we have all been so close and do lots together as a family, but I can't say I blame them at all.

So what do we do? She's not going anywhere soon.

Please help.

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fozzy26 · 27/04/2011 19:05

Sounds like she is suffering from depression. She sounds exactly like my sister. My parents had a hard time with her. Things only changed when she met her boyfriend and started going out a bit more and got motivated to start working for things like holidays.

Ishani · 27/04/2011 19:06

You need to pack her stuff into suitcases when she's out one monday and then refuse to let her into the house, give her enough for a couple of nights b&b £200 if it makes you feel better.

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K999 · 27/04/2011 19:07

It sounds to me like she needs to address her behavioural problems before applying for jobs. The OP said that her attitude is so awful that she gets sacked....

cheepcheepchoconora · 27/04/2011 19:07

she would if you left her there long enough! Surely you haven't just let her get on with it or she wouldn't still be living with you!

Get tough - she clearly needs it

takewhatyoucan · 27/04/2011 19:07

"she is mean beyond belief and would not pay rent on a house or for bills and groceries when she can live here for free"

Well then, perhaps you should remove the option of her living there for free, either she has to pay rent to you or she has to move out.

If I am to give my honest opinion, if you allow her to live rent free and make no contribution to the household at all, then she will never change because you are making life too easy for her. It is not unreasonable to expect a 24 year old woman to be able to get herself together, find a job and a place to live.

I really sympathise with you, it sounds like such a difficult situation for your whole family. On a practical level, perhaps you could give her some help with the job applications or do some "practice interviews". Until she finds a job, suggest she does some volunteering. This may improve her work ethic, give her some routine and structure in her day, and depending on the nature of the volunteering, may show her that some people are much worse off than she is and may give her some perspective/help her realise how easy her life is. I know you mentioned that she would never do volunteering - perhaps you should tell her she has to move out unless she wants to live by your rules, one of which is unless she is in paid work, she has to do some volunteering.

The doctors appointment sounds like a good idea too. They may suggest some anger management or something (trashing room due to biscuits).

sarah166 · 27/04/2011 19:07

She is on JSA but says she needs every penny for her phone contract/ fuel and car insurance. She says she cannot cancel her phone contract and needs the car to get to interviews. But I highly suspect she got some pay in lieu of notice from her last job, which she has been spending, though I cannot prove it.

She is almost 25 and has no life to speak of (all her own doing) so thinks we should all feel sorry for her. I can honestly say the only person I feel sorry for right now is myself.

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K999 · 27/04/2011 19:08

Good advice from Maryz.

Ishani · 27/04/2011 19:08

I had a baby at 24 and a full time job and ran a car.

K999 · 27/04/2011 19:09

And I would also show her this thread....Smile

K999 · 27/04/2011 19:11

She doesn't need every penny for a phone and car...these are luxuries for most and not necessities....if she wants them she has to earn them....after paying you board/digs....

bibbitybobbityhat · 27/04/2011 19:11

Does she have any friends or social life?

She must surely be aware that her situation/behaviour is not the norm?

Why do you honestly think she is like this?

discobeaver · 27/04/2011 19:12

I feel sorry for you too Sarah!

She has enough nous to get a phone contract, a car, insurance, and has actually had (albeit lost) several jobs.

She can darn well find a place to live. If she doesn't, how long will she carry on wrecking your life for?

NonnoMum · 27/04/2011 19:13

I'd go further than maryz. I'd pay for the first couple of months in a grotty bedsit, pack her up, throw her out, change your locks and ask her to treat you like human beings.

Time for tough love.

BigSooz · 27/04/2011 19:15

Kick her lazy, rude arse out.

Rosmarin · 27/04/2011 19:17

Sarah-

This sounds awful for you. Sad I can't offer much advice but I have a question and a bit of consolation (perhaps).

What is her motivation (for bettering her situation) or lack of motivation? That might be a really key part of why she's not going anywhere. I'm not trying to excuse her because she is an adult and needs to behave like one, but it might help get somewhere if she can identify a reason why she's not moving on. Is there a supreme lack of confidence or sense of self-worth?

As for consolation, my brother is the same age as your daughter and also still seems to be an angry teenager. And judging by his friends, it's not that rare... But I want to stay positive that there is hope for him to grow up somehow.

Good luck.

sarah166 · 27/04/2011 19:18

Thanks to everyone for their responses.

In the recent past I have tried many of the things you suggested. I informed her I would stop buying food for her and she'd have to get her own. She ate all of ours.

There is no way she will sit and talk to me and my husband about anything. Her conversations consist one one way ranting. A list of acceptable behaviour would be at best ignored. As for helping her with applications and interviews, would you believe that I have worked in the job centre for 26 years and helped thousands of people into work yet she still won't take a word of my advice on how to apply for jobs?

She doesn't listen to anyone AT ALL. Well, that's not true. A tarot card reader once told her being late was "in her nature" so rather than try and do something about her persistent tardiness, she just quotes that.

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FattyAcid · 27/04/2011 19:19

I think you need to help her towards independence in a different way to the way you have already tried.

It is not reasonable to expect to run a car on job seekers allowance. End of.

I would insist that she does at least 2 days a week voluntary service and makes a large contribution towards the housework and cooking.

If she gets a job I would ask her to pay for her keep. If she won't agree to these things then ask her to move out and give her a month to find somewhere, let her sell the car to pay the deposit and first month's rent. Tell her she is always welcome to come home again if she lives by your rules.

She needs to recognise life's realities.

K999 · 27/04/2011 19:20

Well tell her MN advised you to get tough and tell her to "grow up"....then you can quote that to her......Grin

NonnoMum · 27/04/2011 19:20

Which town do you live in? I could look up locksmiths for you.

Tell her that a fairy once told you that Rude Grown Up Daughters need to face reality as you drive her to the bedsit.

discobeaver · 27/04/2011 19:22

Gives NonnoMum a round of applause.

She clearly won't listen. You have to act.

sarah166 · 27/04/2011 19:22

As she never went away to college, her friends pretty much remained the same as those she had at school. A few years ago they began to drift off, into careers, relationships, starting their own families or moving out of the area.
She still sees them occasionally but nothing like she used to. The friends she appears to hang round with at the moment are two fellas, a couple, who think her drama queen act is absolutely hilarious and highly entertaining.

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FattyAcid · 27/04/2011 19:22

If she doesn't listen then communicate by written letter.

FattyAcid · 27/04/2011 19:23

IF you let this go on until she is 40 you will both be sorry

Maryz · 27/04/2011 19:26

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